keeping the tip down

[randyb]

I'm noticing in pictures that since I've been skiing on a new setup on a System 8 over the last month that it looks like I've got the tip out more during the completion of the turn than on my old ski, a little more on the off side turn I think but on both sides. It looks like the water is breaking around the heal of my front foot. I'm concentrating on keeping my knees bent and pessure on the front foot. Are there other things I should concentrat on? Also, if I decide to try an adjustment on the ski, is it best to move my bindings forward by one hole or run the front of the fin deeper first?

I'm skiing a 68" System 8 at 15 off, 32 mph, 185 lbs., open water.

Thanks for any input!
Randy

[captain planet]

............:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Same setup, line length, speed, and weight here. I don't have any pics, but I'm interested to hear what those that know have to say.

[Hollywood]

The (any) ski is set up to ride best with the bindings in the middle. You have to get those HIPS foward.

[jrhollow]

Look at your feet and you won't have a problem with the tip being up

[BrianM]

Obviously the first thing you want to do is ride in a good hips up knees bent position. If you are still riding tail heavy with a good position then move the bindings forward a hole and see how it goes. Think of the bindings as the coarse adjustment and the fin as the micro adjust. Get the ski riding good with body position and binding position then make any remaining micro adjustments with the fin.

Post some of the pictures up here so we can take a look.

[BrianM]

The (any) ski is set up to ride best with the bindings in the middle. . Not necessarily. Different bindings are going to require different positions on the ski. Use the factory specs of tail to heal first and then adjust from there. Different bindings can put substantially different forces on different parts of the ski.

[MYMC]

Obviously the first thing you want to do is ride in a good hips up knees bent position. If you are still riding tail heavy with a good position then move the bindings forward a hole and see how it goes. Think of the bindings as the coarse adjustment and the fin as the nicro adjust. Get the ski riding good with body position and binding position then make any remaining micro adjustments with the fin.

Post some of the pictures up here so we can take a look.
I concur...

[3event]

I have the same problem on my (gasp) HO Truth. I moved the bindings 2 holes forward which helped. Still I seem to have more tip up than I did on my old Connelly Concept but that's an older heavier ski.

A guy at Wiley's once referred to HO's are tail-draggers - anyone care to comment on that assessment?

I still have to get this ski replaced, it's too finnicky...... Was thinking System8. But with all the threads on here I can't see the forest thru the trees :D

[M-Funf]

A guy at Wiley's once referred to HO's are tail-draggers - anyone care to comment on that assessment?


My HO was a tail dragger when I first got it, but I moved the bindings forward a hole, and it helped some. I think Brian has it right (coarse vs. fine adjustment). I've been adjusting the fin lately (fine adjustment) to get the tip down because I don't want to get the boots too far forward...I know what happens then :eek:

If I get the fin maxed out, then I'll move it back and move the boots forward one notch.

[Cottonwood]

Tip rise can occur for several reasons. Binding location could be one. A good way to check binding location is to look at where the water is breaking while in your glide (before the turn). It should be breaking around the middle of your front foot. If not, move your front binding (only) one hole forward. The main cause of tip rise is pulling the handle either in too fast or across your body at the completion of the turn. Try visualizing "skiing back to the handle" rather than bringing the handle to you. By pulling the handle in too fast before the ski has completed the turn, it forces you toward the back of the ski resulting in tip rise. Also, if you are doing one-handed turns, reach slowly and you'll find that you will bring the handle in slowly as well (and allow you to ski back to the handle). If you throw the handle out quickly, you'll tend to pull it in quickly as well. Be patient and deliberate with your movements.

[76S&S]

Once good body position is established, binding positioning will adjust where your weight is on the ski. If you have good body position but are still tail heavy move the bindings one hole and test. If that is too much you can bring the back binding only, back one hole.

Once you have the ski riding in the water the way you like it, you can adjust the fin (if needed). Fin adjustments will effect the way the ski initiates and finishes the turn.

[randyb]

Thanks everyone for the tips! I'll work on the form tips before moving anything on the ski. Here is a pic, I need to get a video camera...

[randyb]

Finally, vacation and time to do some skiing! I ended up moving only the front binding forward one hole and that really seemed to help. I'll ski it that way for a while and keep working on the form tips.