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beatle78
08-08-2007, 08:41 AM
Hi guys,

I've searched the forums and I've read a little about props and 205V hulls.

I'm looking to see what props everyone is happy with on their 205V hulls loaded with Ballast?

I don't care about top end, I care about a good hole shot and reasonable RPMs at wakeboarding speed.

I'm impartial to ACME or OJ.

I know I can demo props for free, but I wanted to talk to you guys before I did anything.

Also, feel free to add what props you didn't like during your testing.

Thanks!
beatle78

trickskier
08-08-2007, 08:56 AM
I'm running an Acme 845 which is a 13.5 X 16 on my 06 X-1........
The lower pitch gives me a better hole shot and it's easier to maintain lower speeds..............

beatle78
08-08-2007, 10:35 AM
thanks trickskier,

Any idea what the non-splined version of that prop is?

I have a 2001 205V with the tapered shaft.

TMCNo1
08-08-2007, 10:43 AM
Contact Eric @ OJ Props, he will even work with you to experiment with various props to meet your needs.

trickskier
08-08-2007, 10:47 AM
thanks trickskier,

Any idea what the non-splined version of that prop is?

I have a 2001 205V with the tapered shaft.
Should be an Acme 536

beatle78
08-08-2007, 11:20 AM
thanks #1 and trick

tommcat
08-08-2007, 12:16 PM
i havent gotten around to buying one yet but i can say eric at OJ has been more than helpful so far

swatguy
08-08-2007, 01:10 PM
Beatle

Just upgraded yet again to the latest and in my mind the greatest wake prop for my ride 2000 X-Star with the 330. Acme 1235 14.5X14.25prop
I run about 800-900 in the rear
300 in the belly
and 400-450 in the nose
If you purely use the boat for boarding this was by far the best prop I found that suited me. We don't do anything but board so this is why we went with this prop. The most torque you can get and actually seem to be saving some $$ on gas as well. Doesn't ski well as you loose some much needed top end, but again, We don't ski. Also seems to have let me pull riders at slower speeds with a cleaner wake as well as reduce my porpising(sp) Also in the tight turns as the finger of the lake we ride in gets narrow at one end, I don't seem to suck air near what I used to and it holds speed very well.

The prop I was running before that was a more all around prop. It was the ACME#381 13.5 X 17.5 1 1/8 bore LH 4-blade prop with .105 cup Very similar to the OJ CNC'd 13.7 X17. This prop is just an upgrade on the older factory one's. Just gives it more umfff I have just found that the Acme performance is a little better suited for me than the OJ's, but It's more of a Ford/Chevy thing I guess. I just prefer Acme as they have always exceled at what I was looking for.

The OJ CNC"d that I mentioned the 13.7 X17 I didn't really care for. the Acme version of that prop the Acme 381 I mentioned blew that out of the water. That Oj would have been on the bottom of my list as far as performance with that particular prop number.


Also give Acme a call and they will give you their recommendation as well. I can also tell you that the new wake props ain't cheap. Almost gettin crazy :)

beatle78
08-08-2007, 02:43 PM
thanks swatguy!

ouch... I didn't want to hear the not cheap part....

So the ACME 381 you were running did pretty decent with all that ballast?
Have you run any props in the middle of the ACME 381 and the ACME 1235.

With baby #2 on the way $$ is almost gone so I'm hoping to pickup a used prop in the off season so I'm trying to get a list of different props that will help satisfy my needs. So when a good deal comes up I can grab it.

So far I have

ACME 1235
ACME 536 (or whatever number is equivalent to the splined ACME 845)

EJ OJPROP
08-08-2007, 04:28 PM
I would suggest the OJ 14.25 X 14.5 LC 1 1/8" XMP EDGE 4-blade. This propeller is working very well for your application. Please give me a call if you have any other questions. Eric @ OJ PROPS 800-359-9730

swatguy
08-08-2007, 10:40 PM
Beatle
The 536 is the similar version. Samme pitch and diameter however the cup on the 845 is .80 where on the 536 it's .105



I did try the props in between there , but none really out performed the 381 by enough to opt for the $$ a new one cost til I put on the 1235. They did have some pros but just not enough to upgrade. The 381 pushed my boat fine with that exact weight setup I described. Have it as my back up. Where it was sluggish is when I had that weight and then 6 adults and some coolers in there. I rarely ride like that as I can barely do the 5 inverts I have off my wake without another 1000lbs and I ain't making the pro tour anytime soon:) But it is fun to load it full with a crew every now and then.
The new "super " wake props(IE the 14.25 and 14.5 ones) are about 100 more than the older props give or take a few depending on where or who you get it from. Ijust like the super quick on plane time and the smooth consistant pulls/turns. When I run my weight setup with the 1235 it was like the 381 pushing my boat with only the bow ballast. Can barely know it's there. If I were in the market and looking for pure wakeperformance (as I was) 1235 all the way. You will get yor 100 bucks back in gas savings$$ by the endo of the month depending on how often you get out. Def try a couple different ones though if you can and make your decision. I know that will be hard to do, but if yuo are looking for the best performing wake prop I would run the Acme 1235 against Ej's recommendation from Oj which are two similar props from different MFG's and see which one suits you better. I will go ahead and say that with the "super" wake props being so new to the market and such high demand for them it's going to be next to impossible to find one of those "super" wake props used. Whereas I am sure you will be able to pick up a 381 or 536 used for a decent price because most of the people that run those for boarding will be swapping out to the 14.25 and 14.5 props after the reviews on the new props come in JUst my .02 not being in the industry anymore

deployedjosh
08-08-2007, 11:13 PM
FWIW, I bought one of swatguy's spare 381 props and am quite happy with it. I had a stainless 14x18, and the 381 offers a much improved holeshot. Without ballast, I'm spinning it up past the redline to about 5400 rpm and lost a bit on top end speed, but I don't really worry about that anyways. Hopefully, when I get some weight in the boat, I'll still be happy, because I don't want to have to shell out 5+ bills for the 1235.

1999 X-Star

beatle78
08-09-2007, 08:33 AM
I would suggest the OJ 14.25 X 14.5 LC 1 1/8" XMP EDGE 4-blade. This propeller is working very well for your application. Please give me a call if you have any other questions. Eric @ OJ PROPS 800-359-9730

Thanks Eric. I downloaded your XMP application guide and I didn't see that prop listed.

How much cup do you put on that prop. Or what cup size is getting the better reviews?

beatle78
08-09-2007, 08:40 AM
Thanks Swatguy,

So the 381 did OK with the ~1700lbs and your 3 favorite girls, but once you packed the 205V with some friends it got bogged down?

$500? WOW, I may have to put a new prop on my Christmas list.

EJ OJPROP
08-09-2007, 08:59 AM
The standard cup in our 14.25 X 14.5 is .110.

beatle78
08-09-2007, 09:47 AM
Thanks Eric.

I noticed Paul had his prop recupped to .120 in this thread.

http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=9026

What would that do for me?

RexDog1
08-09-2007, 11:34 AM
I change to the 14.25" OJ prop:D
and it works for me!!!!!
But who am I ??????:confused:

EJ OJPROP
08-09-2007, 12:21 PM
The additional cup will reduce RPM, maybe 100 or so.

beatle78
08-09-2007, 08:17 PM
thanks Eric.

etakk7
08-13-2007, 01:29 PM
I got the OJ XMP Edge mentioned above with the .110 cup per Eric's recommendation. It has been great with ballast and at boarding speeds. I also think it is more fuel efficient with ballast and easier on the engine. I pull skiers from time to time and it runs pretty high in the RPM range but overall I'm very happy with my purchase.

I paid roughly $400 shipped from an internet establishment which I may not be allowed to mention.

beatle78
08-13-2007, 07:08 PM
etakk7,

how is that prop WOT? Does it overrev the engine much?

thanks,
beatle78

lav
08-13-2007, 07:44 PM
I would suggest the OJ 14.25 X 14.5 LC 1 1/8" XMP EDGE 4-blade. This propeller is working very well for your application. Please give me a call if you have any other questions. Eric @ OJ PROPS 800-359-9730
eric can you try before you buy? if so and not local i have no prob taking care of shipping. thanks greg

EJ OJPROP
08-14-2007, 06:09 AM
Try before you buy is an option for everyone, a no risk trial. Just give me a call.

etakk7
08-14-2007, 10:33 AM
beatle, I think I lose about 3-4 MPH off the top end. As far as RPM's go, I had a discussion with the MC technician in Minneapolis, and he told me the engine goes into "safe mode" at 5250 I believe. I have not gotten to experience it because I make sure to keep it under that. The RPM's are a little higher (100-200) at wakeboard speeds but that is probably a good thing so the engine doesn't bog down under the heavier load.

etakk7
08-15-2007, 10:55 AM
found one on craigslist in Minneapolis.

I would offer $300 though probably.

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/boa/377542014.html

beatle78
08-15-2007, 11:00 AM
thanks etakk7,

I just looked at the ad and the prop is for a splined shaft :(

Not for a tapered shaft like you and I have.....

beatle78
03-24-2008, 11:45 AM
Hi guys,

I'm finally ready to purchase a prop. Used or new, it doesn't matter to me.

I know swatguy has used the 1235 prop. Has anyone used the 1273 prop?
It has more cup so I'm thinking you would regain some of the topend that's lost with the 1235.

See specs below.

1235 14.50 14.25 .105 cup 4 1 1/8" LH
1273 14.50 14.25 .150 cup 4 1 1/8" LH

etakk7
03-24-2008, 12:33 PM
what is the disadvantage of more cup?

EJ OJPROP
03-24-2008, 12:37 PM
Beatle - I'll throw my hat back in the ring on this thread. I would suggest our XMP EDGE #475 14.25 x 14.5 LC 1 1/8" .120 cup 4-Blade for your application. This propeller falls in between, as far as cup goes, the other two you are looking at. In most cases more cup will not increase MPH but will simply hold the RPM down. As I said before, I will send you one try and if it does not fit your needs I will take it back.

Thanks,
Eric @OJ PROPS 800-359-9730

beatle78
03-25-2008, 09:26 AM
Eric,

Thanks, the 475 is still on my list of finalists. I was just trying to get another data point b/c once I put my boat in the water for the summer, it's not coming out. :)

Roonie's
03-25-2008, 09:59 AM
I have the OJ 14.25 x 14.5 on my 07 X2. It rips getting out of the hole. I have the RTP 310 and my buddy has an 07 X14 with MCX and the 3 blade prop. He drove mine and rode behind it several times and said without a doubt you get out of the hole much faster with my boat. He said it felt like completely different motors even though mine has the 310 and his the 350. I run ballast and people in boat and never a problem getting up even with the heaviest of riders (pulled #255 guy out no problem and he said it felt like his arms were coming off). I have never tried the Acme. My 2 cents.

beatle78
05-01-2008, 02:23 PM
and the winner is................................................ .............

beatle78
05-01-2008, 02:27 PM
OJ XMP Edge 475 14.25 X 14.5 cup .120 (tapered shaft)... thanks all for the input!!

If anyone wants to buy a splined shaft prop, I have one for sale here.

http://www.tmcowners.com/market/showproduct.php?product=2113&cat=13

beatle78
06-10-2008, 08:05 AM
I put the boat in the water this weekend. No ballast except a boat full of people.

The boat took off better that it did with the stock 13x18 OJ with just me in the boat.

Thank you OJ!!!!

I did lose some speed off the top, but we either wakeboard or tube when it gets rough, so the top end does not matter to me.