Smut Warnings

[captkidd]

I hate to be a prude, but some of you guys are going much too far with the pictures you're posting and the Avatars you're using (for example, the "My New Tattoo" thread). This is supposed to be a family-friendly site, but there's some stuff on here that borders on soft-core porn.

The problem is that there is no warning about what you might see when you open one of these threads. There's pictures on here that could probably get a lot of us fired if we got caught looking at them at work. (Sure, the easy answer to that is to say that we shouldn't be on this site if we're at work, but my job goes through stages where we're extremely busy and others where we're extremely bored, so I occasionally have free time to visit here.) Besides, I definitely would not want my son to see some of the stuff posted on here, and I would be ashamed if he saw me looking at it. Even the best internet filters won't protect you from looking at smutty pictures if they're posted on "safe" sites.

If you guys want to send porn to each other via email, that's your business. I've never asked for anyone to send me any and I never will. If you insist on posting these things, please put a warning in the title so the rest of us can avoid looking at it; I'm sure that I'm in the minority here, but surely I'm not the only one. Just put "smut" in the thread title and we'll know to stay away.

Well, I guess I've opened myself up to a bunch of criticism, but that's o.k. As the song says, sometimes you've got to stand for something you believe in. Besides, I don't think that MC's upper management would be too happy if they were to ever visit this site (not likely) and see some of this junk on here.

[ChrisG]

Different strokes for different folks...I'm not going to criticize you at all. Everyone has different beliefs and values. I myslelf get a kick out of some of the 'smut' on this website, but everyone has different opinions. I think your point is well taken.

[jsonova99]

I think it's a good point, the smut doesn't personally bother me, but I do periodically check the site at work, a little heads up would be good so everyone knew when the right time and place is to open some of the stuff that gets posted. :twocents:

[jmac197]

I have to agree with CaptKidd. Don't get me wrong....I thought the tattoo was hilarious! But this is a site that's supposed to be dedicated to boats and water sports. I've caught my 8 year old son on this site and figured with the posts that I've seen over the past few years he should be ok.

I guess most of us are just waiting for the season to start. Once the season gets into full swing we'll be back to talks of broken boats and broken forms. Till then let's keep it clean or at least give us a warning.

Later
Jim

[east tx skier]

Capt., you've got a valid point. While this stuff doesn't offend me personally, I think a head's up is a good idea in future posts. For me, whether it's safe to view at work is of great importance. Thus, a warning such as "NSFW" (Not Safe For Work) works for me. As for the past posts, which can't, under the current controls, be retagged by users, I think you know of at least one that you'd be better off not visiting.

With regard to that and similar threads, I think we could have the best of both worlds if some of those pictures were linked instead of posted. The links could be followed by NSFW or NSFW adds on site, etc. There are lots of free sites that will host images.

[AirJunky]

Agreed. I don't think I've shut down a post so quickly in a while.... and certainly not from this forum.

[jake]

I'm with you. I've raised similar objections in the past, and had exactly the response you anticipate in your post (who's the prude?). I think it's reasonable to assume the Mastercraft corporate sponsored discussion board would be appropriate for viewing at work or by children...but that's just me.

And I just don't see why we should need NSFW tags on postings here, if that kind of content doesn't offend you, then go to one of the roughtly 100 billion other sites on the internet that specialize in that kind of content.

[jsonova99]

I can especially see where the members on the site with children are coming from. There really is no reason why somebody should be getting offended by this site, it's here for MC owner to meet, share stories, and get valuable info about their boats. As I said, the questionable material does not personally bother me, but maybe it should be taken offline so that nobody who uses this site feels uncomfortable. It would be kind of ashame to have a site dedicated to MC owners that actually turns some owners away.

[east tx skier]

Jake, I recall at least one your past objections to this sort of thing, but don't recall anyone responding that way to you. If I'm mistaken, I'm sorry to hear that that happend.

[OhioProstar]

I don't remember the thread, but I can certainly understand people's objection to questionable posts. Two or Three years ago this site was only frequented by a few folks, now that we have expanded to a large user base and we need to be carefull of offending other users, regardless of our own personal opinions on the topic. I would much rather have people step up and call someone on a post then choose not to be part of the board anymore.

[jayderwin1]

Where is the thread located?

[east tx skier]

I couldn't agree more. I heard that there are sites on the internet(s) ;) that actually cater to smut. :eek:

But seriously, certainly plenty of places to go to catch up on it if that's your thing. The same cannot be said for inboard ski boats and, specifically, mastercrafts. It's certainly not what I'm looking for when I come to this site.

[inboard60@hotmail.com]

Ditto your comment. It takes a real man to stand up for what is right. I will back you 100%

[east tx skier]

Welcome, inboard60@hotmail.com.

[MarkP]

Hey, What gives!:confused: ! This thread is nothing like the title,:rant: !!

All kidding aside I don’t see a problem with labeling, limiting or even eliminating some of the questionable content. Don’t get me wrong. I like the girls.. The belly tattoos are a little rough and I know what threads not to brows when one of my children are browsing with me. BUT like the captkidd said we shouldn’t have to worry about that at the Team Talk..

[nashvillematt]

After viewing the Swimsuit pics thread.....this thread is a joke and should be deleted.

If you are going to get worked up about a drawing on someones belly (which is a pretty good drawing....hanger and all) and what someone is going to see, the swimsuit thread should be deleted as a whole. There was no question about keeping the swimsuit thread...its there and has been since early 2004. I think this is a case of double standards. If you are at work.....work! I am sure that opening this in front of your boss is a waste of his money anyway...and probably pisses him as much as seeing a little T&A.

We are all adults here and if your kids want to look.....tell them to look at MC.com. This is team talk....part of the team is hanging out with fellow boaters and enjoying what boating is all about. Chill out.

[atlfootr]

After viewing the Swimsuit pics thread.....this smut warn'n thread is a joke and should be deleted. Here here, well said :toast:
To add in my :twocents:, if you guy's that are so paranoid about opening up a thread at work
re: tattoos - DON'T DO IT! :noface:

Wait 'til you get home in a safer enviroment :)

[tex]

It's the wakeboarders and tubers doing all the smut!!!!

[tex]

Is this better? My imagination is running wild?

[ChrisG]

Uh-oh...I'm going to stay out of this one. I said what I had to say earlier. This definitely has the potential to get nasty. :(

[jsonova99]

I second that! I'm going back to tuning my boat up!

[jayderwin1]

where is the Tattoo Thread at!

[east tx skier]

So much for intelligent discussion on the subject. This thread is as worthwhile as any other. Let it get talked about. The last time anything got deleted for content around here was too many. So calling it a joke or being so dismissive of it is ridiculous.

Capt. has been posting here (and the board before this one, and the board before that one), and quite often I might add. I'd certainly hate to see somebody depart that has made such a contribution.

[tex]

I wasn't trying to poke fun at anyone. Just trying to make some people laugh. It is a fine line-should we be over sensitive or should we keep a better eye on what our kids are looking at? I personally beleive that any swimsuit pic should be at least of someone you know!

[lakes Rick]

The swimsuit thread was supposed to be with our wives ( god forbid) and/or girlfriends.. It has degenerated to posting Professional babe pics due to a very long winter...
I personally would like to see it go back to its roots.....

[east tx skier]

I wasn't trying to poke fun at anyone. Just trying to make some people laugh. It is a fine line-should we be over sensitive or should we keep a better eye on what our kids are looking at? I personally beleive that any swimsuit pic should be at least of someone you know!

I personally dig chicks in long underwear. :headbang:

[captkidd]

After viewing the Swimsuit pics thread.....this thread is a joke and should be deleted.

If you are going to get worked up about a drawing on someones belly (which is a pretty good drawing....hanger and all) and what someone is going to see, the swimsuit thread should be deleted as a whole. There was no question about keeping the swimsuit thread...its there and has been since early 2004. I think this is a case of double standards. If you are at work.....work! I am sure that opening this in front of your boss is a waste of his money anyway...and probably pisses him as much as seeing a little T&A.

We are all adults here and if your kids want to look.....tell them to look at MC.com. This is team talk....part of the team is hanging out with fellow boaters and enjoying what boating is all about. Chill out.

I didn't name every thread that I found offensive, just the latest. IMHO the swimsuit thread fits that category, but I think most people can tell by the title that it's going to be pictures that might be offensive. I know from experience not to look at posts in that thread.

The problem is, we may not all be adults on here. There's no way to guarantee that. Sorry but I didn't realize that Team Talk was open to "anything goes"; must have missed that when I signed up. Guess I also missed the part about boating being all about smut and porn.

If I chilled out much more I'd have icicles forming from my appendages.

[bradamerry]

Well, since I have been active posting pics on the swimsuit thread lately, I feel like I may have had a part in this. I do NOT want anything I post on here to offend anyone and will remove any pics that offend anyone, for any reason. I have a three year old daughter and didn't think about older kids looking at what I post. I do it all in fun and do not let my little girl view that thread. Everyone has their own opinion and has that right!! But I don't want anything I post here to offend anyone!!!! PM me if something under my name offends you and I will take it OFF :) . No hard feelings.

[André]

The swimsuit thread was supposed to be with our wives ( god forbid) and/or girlfriends.. It has degenerated to posting Professional babe pics due to a very long winter...
I personally would like to see it go back to its roots.....

Gotta to agree with Rick here.
The intend was to post picture of our wifes and girlfriend in swimsuits...Which is not an easy thing to do!!! :noface:

[nashvillematt]

Captain.....

I am not knocking your dislike of the female body at all. Myself, I like the female body just as much the next guy. The point that I was trying to make is that if we are going to start putting labels on one thread....they all need a rating. If we do that, then someone has to make the decision about what rating to place, and to what extent do we want to take this. I just hate double standards and feel that we should all play on even grounds. Blah, Blah, Blah......Blah, blah!

To tell you the honest truth....that is a mighty fugly tat. I was shocked to see it, and the first thing that I thought was: "What does he do around kids, or how do you live your life with a ****** on your stomach."

Again....we are ALL adults on here. (please speak up if you are not 18+) and should act like we are.

Have a nice day!

[BriEOD]

Captain.....

I am not knocking your dislike of the female body at all.

I'm not trying to stir the pot but do you realize what this sentence implies??? :noface:

[east tx skier]

Captain.....

I am not knocking your dislike of the female body at all. Myself, I like the female body just as much the next guy. The point that I was trying to make is that if we are going to start putting labels on one thread....they all need a rating. If we do that, then someone has to make the decision about what rating to place, and to what extent do we want to take this. I just hate double standards and feel that we should all play on even grounds. Blah, Blah, Blah......Blah, blah!

To tell you the honest truth....that is a mighty fugly tat. I was shocked to see it, and the first thing that I thought was: "What does he do around kids, or how do you live your life with a ****** on your stomach."

Again....we are ALL adults on here. (please speak up if you are not 18+) and should act like we are.

Have a nice day!

Matt, just for the record, there are definitely some people on here who are under 18. "MasterCrafting" for one. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that they are on that swimsuit thread like stink on a steamer. I know I would've been. But I'm not responsible for them, and so on and so on.

And what Brian said. :noface:

And yeah, I ought to be working, but someone just went on a massive shooting spree down the street from my office and I can't concentrate.

Oh, and I can't resist. Okay, (1) you've posted fewer than ten times since August 2004, (2) you really like the swimsuit thread. What's the matter, can't you type with your left hand. :uglyhamme Sorry dude, just had to bust your stones a bit. Have a good one.

[Leroy]

For the swimsuit thread, Stevo started this ~900 posts ago with a nice pix of his wife. Starting a great string of posts from members. I would say posts of your family is fine.

Having thought about it, I would say posts of "strangers" should be removed, if for no reason other than legal. Likely to find copyright material there which we may or may not have the right to use. As much as I enjoy them, and don't consider most of the girls in bathing suits smut. If we don't police it TTADMIN will and I hate using his time for this. I don't even think NSFW is adequate on public MasterCraft
forum. PM for this.

Hopefully we can quickly reach a decision on what to do. I think above suggestion would appease the board's moral right and really be the right thing to do. But this is certainly open for discussion and that is what has made this board great is being showing respect and being able to talk through an occasional issue like this.......

Besides you are about to pass my post count with these pix Brad! Now I will have to save them to my PC.

I do like your comment Tex, funny, "it's the wakeboarders and tubers"!

[east tx skier]

Plus, anyone who digs it can certainly get on Brad's mailing list. It doesn't disappoint.

[milkmania]

98% of my e-mails from brad won't open


dang, now I really know I'm missing out

[Nova Scotia Skier]

I too, like Brad am sorry for any of my posts htat may have offended anyone. I'm new here and the last thing I want to do is offend anyone.

[bradamerry]

For the swimsuit thread, Stevo started this ~900 posts ago with a nice pix of his wife. Starting a great string of posts from members. I would say posts of your family is fine.

Having thought about it, I would say posts of "strangers" should be removed, if for no reason other than legal. Likely to find copyright material there which we may or may not have the right to use. As much as I enjoy them, and don't consider most of the girls in bathing suits smut. If we don't police it TTADMIN will and I hate using his time for this. I don't even think NSFW is adequate on public MasterCraft
forum. PM for this.

Hopefully we can quickly reach a decision on what to do. I think above suggestion would appease the board's moral right and really be the right thing to do. But this is certainly open for discussion and that is what has made this board great is being showing respect and being able to talk through an occasional issue like this.......

Besides you are about to pass my post count with these pix Brad! Now I will have to save them to my PC.

I do like your comment Tex, funny, "it's the wakeboarders and tubers"!
So they come OFF!!

[MarkP]

What's the matter, can't you type with your left hand. Sorry dude, just had to bust your stones a bit. Have a good one.:eek:

omg I am LMAOSBIMP!!:uglyhamme :rant: :uglyhamme

[east tx skier]

Eric Stratton. Rush Chairman. Damn glad to meet you.

[BriEOD]

I dubbed you that! Give credit where credit is due.

[Leroy]

I'm still hoping someone kicks me in the mouth!

So they come OFF!!

[Tom023]

I'm not easily offended at anything and frankly feel this country's level of PC has gone way too far. For those who get offended at women in swim suits, my god, get a thicker skin. If you don't want your kids to see it, censorship starts at home...don't give them access to it, but don't let them look at your Waterski or Wakeboarding magazine ads either. Don't penalize the majority who don't see anything wrong with it. To call it smut or porn is a bit much. With that, if the majority feel they should come down, by all means take 'em off.

[JEREMY79]

I agree I just opended the newspaper and there was an ad for baithing suits. But if thats what everyone wants....take em down

[bradamerry]

I'm not easily offended at anything and frankly feel this country's level of PC has gone way to far. For those who get offended at women in swim suits, my god, get a thicker skin. If you don't want your kids to see it, sensorship starts at home...don't give them access to it, but don't let them look at your Waterski or Wakeboarding magazine ads either. Don't penalize the majority who don't see anything wrong with it. To call it smut or porn is a bit much. With that, if the majority feel they should come down, by all means take 'em off.
I think I might replace them with a pic of my fat a$$!! But I understand and have no problem with taking them off. I would not want anyone putting me on their ignore list :confused: ! BriEOD, Doug, and MarkP, no need for you guys to comment on that :uglyhamme !!!

[BriEOD]

frankly feel this country's level of PC has gone way to far.

I agree with you there. I mean you can't even say the pledge of alleginace anymore because of "Under God." Bunch of damn commies!!

[BriEOD]

I would not want anyone putting me on their ignore list :confused: ! BriEOD, Doug, and MarkP, no need for you guys to comment on that :uglyhamme !!!

To late! 8p

[Tom023]

I think I might replace them with a pic of my fat a$$!! But I understand and have no problem with taking them off. I would not want anyone putting me on their ignore list :confused: ! BriEOD, Doug, and MarkP, no need for you guys to comment on that :uglyhamme !!!

Just be sure it doesn't have an offensive tatoo on it! :eek:

[MYMC]

To quote David St. Hubbins: "it's a fine line between stupid and cleaver"

(He should know he was named after the patron saint of quality footwear)

[ski_king]

In my opinion, most of the pictures on the swim suit thread were fine, although it did get away from the orginal intent.
Now, the tatoo thread went too far.
has anybody noticed that thread is no where to be found now?
I was hoping to get one last look at the second picture.

[MarkP]

In my opinion, most of the pictures on the swim suit thread were fine, although it did get away from the orginal intent.
Now, the tatoo thread went too far.
has anybody noticed that thread is no where to be found now?
I was hoping to get one last look at the second picture.
Dude your sick:eek:

Do you mean the monkey one??:uglyhamme

[bradamerry]

Well, I have taken mine OFF :) !

[ski_king]

Dude your sick:eek:

Do you mean the monkey one??:uglyhamme


No...... the one in the kitchen......
I was trying to figure out what that blue thing was between the counter and the fridge.

[MarkP]

No...... the one in the kitchen......
I was trying to figure out what that blue thing was between the counter and the fridge.
That’s good. You had me a little worried. Guess we will never know what that blue thing is:confused:

[sfitzgerald351]

Like many of the others I'm not offended at the swimsuit pictures. But we do have to understand that this board is a reflection of Mastercraft and we should try to keep it as such.

So send the swimsuit pictures through email via Brad or spend some time at big-boys.com for some fun. And keep posting the family ones here. Becuase I do think most of us like seeing your wife/girlfriend/husband/dog/house/truck and espcecially the boat. Seems pretty simple to me.

[Lake_Tippy_Skier]

I'm not easily offended at anything and frankly feel this country's level of PC has gone way too far. For those who get offended at women in swim suits, my god, get a thicker skin. If you don't want your kids to see it, sensorship starts at home...don't give them access to it, but don't let them look at your Waterski or Wakeboarding magazine ads either. Don't penalize the majority who don't see anything wrong with it. To call it smut or porn is a bit much. With that, if the majority feel they should come down, by all means take 'em off.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!

the last time i was out in my MC, i saw (God forbid) Females in Bikinis :eek:
So, i think that the swimsuit thread represented MC boating in a reasonable fashion. :twocents:

[MasterMason]

What ever your feelings on the subject, you have to be impressed that the members of the board are willing to police themselves, not many boards I have seen on any subject that you could say that about. :dance:

[bradamerry]

What ever your feelings on the subject, you have to be impressed that the members of the board are willing to police themselves, not many boards I have seen on any subject that you could say that about. :dance:
I agree!!

Captkidd has been on this site and the old one for awhile. Not saying that I don't respect everybody that posts on this board, because I do, I respect the Capt's concerns and have pulled the pics. Now on the other hand, if a person started this thread on his first post, I might have reacted a little different :confused: !! We do see gals in their suits out on the lake, but thats the lake and is appropiate attire there.

[mitch]

I don't think this board is a reflection of MC at all?? and the pics were under "off-topic", folks rummaging thru those threads were hoping for what? .... recipe swapping, fashion tips WHAT? Work when you're at work if you're afraid of getting busted. Want to know about boats? There's plenty of content available. But to go off about swimsuits in an off topic forum on a boat msg board is splitting hairs to say the least. Just plain silly, and damn it if you guys start posting pics of your wives, I'm leaving :eek:

The tatoo thread was gross, so I didn't go there, no biggie. And I miss my avatar too!!!!! No thanks to someone!

Here's a nice site you and Jr. can cruise together whilst nursing a hot cocoa. Jeez
http://www.buildabear.com/choosesite.aspx?ReturnUrl=default.aspx%3f
:purplaugh

[Professor]

What ever your feelings on the subject, you have to be impressed that the members of the board are willing to police themselves, not many boards I have seen on any subject that you could say that about. :dance:
I agree and very impressed!

[stevo137]

I totally agree that it should stay in good taste and not be offensive.
Just look at the MC literature, bikinis all over the place!
Again as stated before, this all started as just "real" swimsuit pics of real ladies out enjoying a hot summer day, nothing more.
It is as much a part of boating and watersports as the boat itself.
I really enjoyed seeing the pics that showed the wife or girlfriend skiing.
It is no different than if we were all out together on our boats having a great time.

[quincyfirefighter]

Just got off work. See that everyone is in a good mood today :eek: Guess I won't be giving her a ride in my Fire Truck :noface: Think CABIN FEVER is setting in :( Come on spring :D

[Hemey5]

I agree, I little warning would be the right thing to do. Mastercraft has a good thing going here. They have gone out of their way to continually listened to everyones ideas and requested changes. Wouldn't want to discredit Mastercraft in iny kind of way.

Hemey

[whitedog]

"Like many of the others I'm not offended at the swimsuit pictures. But we do have to understand that this board is a reflection of Mastercraft and we should try to keep it as such. "

The swimsuit pictures as long as they are in good tast are seldom offensive. I would not object to my teenage son and friends seeing what has been posted here. After all they see same or less on the lake or river any day of the summer.

The tattoo thread did go a little far in being crass.:(

Lets try to keep this board in good tast. :)

[east tx skier]

All credit to you BriEOD. Damn glad to meet you.

Brad, keep them emails comin'. It takes a real man to give away an angel. If one of your emails ever gets blocked, my wife saw it.

Mitch, recipes have be swapped, and Brian continues to offer fashion advice. Both were popular threads, but didn't get 15K views to be sure.

MYMC, "what are, size 9, I think we have that."

/didn't realize the absence of thongs would hurt this much. :cry:

[BriEOD]

All credit to you BriEOD. Damn glad to meet you.

Brad, keep them emails comin'. It takes a real man to give away an angel. If one of your emails ever gets blocked, my wife saw it.

Mitch, recipes have be swapped, and Brian continues to offer fashion advice. Both were popular threads, but didn't get 15K views to be sure.

MYMC, "what are, size 9, I think we have that."

/didn't realize the absence of thongs would hurt this much. :cry:

Doug,

When is your birthday so I can send you some trunks?

[east tx skier]

10/25. No flowers please. I'd look like Mitch's avatar. 8p

[stevo137]

Editing option:::: thats it for me! ;)

[nashvillematt]

So....do you people think I am the start of all of this? I was stating a simple fact that censorship is definately UN-American. That's the code that I live by and hope we all can understand. I am a simple person and want to be treated like the next guy. I have to say that I started the trouble here, but wanted to throw an outsiders position against the wall to see if it would stick. Did it?

Maybe. maybe not. We are sitting here on page 7 and things are still going strong. It is our board...we make it or break it. I am not here to cause trouble and I appologise to the Captain for getting down as I did.....I am trying to prove a point...


Point proven.....dont censor 1 of 2 is just as bad....


Water is warming up....boats are fired up. Lets make the best of this season...

MS

[atlfootr]

I hate to be a prude, but some of you guys are going much too far with the pictures you're posting and the Avatars you're using. :twocents: Maybe it's just me, but I think the captain jus sunk the ship w/ his first post :popcorn:
Granted, we're all entitled to our opinon's as he's stated above. My feel is, if you don't like what you see --
don't read the thread. There's more than one thread on the board and for obvious reasons.

No need to kill a good thing, looks a little too late for that :(

[BriEOD]

10/25. No flowers please. I'd look like Mitch's avatar. 8p

Oh you are getting flowers buddy and you are going to like it mister!!

[JimN]

nashvillematt- you think censorship is "un-American"? The amendment in the Constitution was mainly referring to freedom of speech in the press. This is not the press, news media, or anything like that.

There is no difference between what you allow in your home and this. If someone contacted MC and said their kid(s) had been looking for info on MC tattoos or swimming suits (a reasonable expectation, based on the titles) and saw some of the posts, I can see their point if they were surprised or shocked. The threads weren't titled "MC Chicksssssss, "HOT!, HOT!, HOT! or anything having to do with parts of the human body. Can you call a radio station and say absolutely anything, expecting it to allowed over the air? No, you can't. Is that censorship? Yes it is and it's allowed, even expected, to a degree. You listen to radio stations for what they say/play/do, not so you can hear things that you don't agree with. If you want to see nekkid womens, you can always go to a different website for that. This is a user forum, set up by a boat manufacturer for owners of its boats.

This forum is sponsored by Mastercraft and is attached to their main site. They should be allowed to determine what happens here. MC is in business to sell boats and make it possible for their customers to have a good time. The deleted posts do not equal "having a good time", to all people. They have to look at the big picture, in terms of their image. Do you want to be known for something you aren't, never said or did, don't agree with and don't want to have attached to you? I seriously doubt it.

I didn't like the tattoo post and it's nearly impossible to offend me.

While most of the swimming suit shots were hot, that wasn't the origin of the thread. However, we all know that guys like looking at them. That won't change any time soon. Would you want to have your own website and forum, and then have someone posting things on it that you don't agree with? Probably not. You would set the ground rules at the outset of the forum. True, if someone doesn't want to see certain things, they don't have to look. That only applies to those who know what's there. What if they don't want to see these things and they show up unexpectedly? It's almost like a popup that you don't like. Did you know it would show up? No. Did you "just not look at it"? No again.

[mgurley]

I am also pretty hard to offend. I liked the swimsuit thread (almost as much as Brad's emails :dance: ). I would say let some of the founding members decide on the content of this site not only now but in the future as well. An elected council of sorts. Doug, Brian, Brad, Andre', Jimn, etc... (Ok. Ok. maybe not Brad :D ) I will defer to those guys they have been around here much longer than me. And who am I anyway I don't even have a boat yet :rant: .

:toast:


Brad you are ok with me cuz. Let me know when you want to come to Bama for a duck or deer hunt.

[gene dobies]

Captain.....

I am not knocking your dislike of the female body at all. Myself, I like the female body just as much the next guy. The point that I was trying to make is that if we are going to start putting labels on one thread....they all need a rating. If we do that, then someone has to make the decision about what rating to place, and to what extent do we want to take this. I just hate double standards and feel that we should all play on even grounds. Blah, Blah, Blah......Blah, blah!

To tell you the honest truth....that is a mighty fugly tat. I was shocked to see it, and the first thing that I thought was: "What does he do around kids, or how do you live your life with a ****** on your stomach."

Again....we are ALL adults on here. (please speak up if you are not 18+) and should act like we are.

Have a nice day! That is where you are wrong when you assume we are"adults on here". There can be children, there can be people standing nearby that might not understand a pic and take it out of context. Can't we all see that this being a family board, NO ONE should ever have to worry about opening up a page and finding something they would not want to see or find offensive. If something is not appropriate at work or for a child to see it should not be on here.
I think this includes discussions such as marital relations also, or girl friend relationships. If someone wants to discuss such things they should go to a LONELY Hearts board or something like that. I think MasterCraft should certainly censor things on here, it is their reputation. It is by their graciousness that we are allowed here and we should keep discussions and pics within the realm of the board and tastefulness.
I have gone on the Maliby board and haven't seen any such discussions, they seem much more proud of their boats and their sport,,, pics of boats all over the place.

[MYMC]

East,

Thanks, for a while there I thought the qoute may be too obscure.

JimN,

You hit the nail on the head.

[kamakaze19]

Matt, just for the record, there are definitely some people on here who are under 18. "MasterCrafting" for one. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that they are on that swimsuit thread like stink on a steamer. I know I would've been. But I'm not responsible for them, and so on and so on.

And what Brian said. :noface:

And yeah, I ought to be working, but someone just went on a massive shooting spree down the street from my office and I can't concentrate.

Oh, and I can't resist. Okay, (1) you've posted fewer than ten times since August 2004, (2) you really like the swimsuit thread. What's the matter, can't you type with your left hand. :uglyhamme Sorry dude, just had to bust your stones a bit. Have a good one.
We are all responsible for them since we participate on this board.

[jsonova99]

I will say one thing, there was an argument raised about what to expect in a thread from the title, well I started a thread yesterday on impellar maintenace and we ended up with a questionable tatoo picture (which has since been removed). How would you ever expect to see something like that when you just want to find out how to remove and install a new impellar. The questionable stuff isn't limited to off topic discussions or blatantly obvious thread titles. I was monitoring the impellar thread at work, and I had to close out real quick when I came across that. I'm not coming down on anyone, please don't think that, nobdy means any harm I'm sure when they post something, and for me no harm done.

I personally never found the swimsuit thread in bad taste, I thought it fit the site, but the point about there being more pictures of professional models or springbreak girls or whatever did get away form the perceived point of the thread and I agree that it should get back to it's roots, or if it has to go then it has to go. I think that the most important thing is that we have a site where all MC owners and enthusiasts can talk about their boats. I will live by whatever rules MC wants the site to be governed by, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Although I do have a pretty funny picture of my border collie in a bikini, not sure where I would post that :uglyhamme

[bradamerry]

I am also pretty hard to offend. I liked the swimsuit thread (almost as much as Brad's emails :dance: ). I would say let some of the founding members decide on the content of this site not only now but in the future as well. An elected council of sorts. Doug, Brian, Brad, Andre', Jimn, etc... (Ok. Ok. maybe not Brad :D ) I will defer to those guys they have been around here much longer than me. And who am I anyway I don't even have a boat yet :rant: .

:toast:


Brad you are ok with me cuz. Let me know when you want to come to Bama for a duck or deer hunt.
I will be there for the April race !!!! And in my defense, I still do not believe anything I posted was over the edge. Pics of girls in swimsuits, unless butt floss is wrong ? I just didn 't want anything I posted to cause a problem, so I removed them. Now if someone else reposts them, I will look!! I would prefer we dropped the whole damn thing and started talking about sports!!! March Madness is around the corner, Nascar is off and running, Spring Camp has started, the NBA is playing. What am I thinking NBA, who cares?

[kamakaze19]

I'm not easily offended at anything and frankly feel this country's level of PC has gone way too far. For those who get offended at women in swim suits, my god, get a thicker skin. If you don't want your kids to see it, sensorship starts at home...don't give them access to it, but don't let them look at your Waterski or Wakeboarding magazine ads either. Don't penalize the majority who don't see anything wrong with it. To call it smut or porn is a bit much. With that, if the majority feel they should come down, by all means take 'em off.

This is not political correctness but proper morals we should all have and use, this is what is being lost here in the US.

I'm sure many of you can remember when you were young and you were out with friends and did something wrong and probably the other kids mom would say she is going to tell your parents or when you misbehaved at school and a note was sent home and some action happened. These were times when parents trying to instill good morals and values and manners in their children. During this time when outside the home society would reinforce those values, eg. the mom telling your mom scenario or the grocery store guy telling your mom about something you did when you were there. We are society and right here is an example of how we do not enforce good behavior and morals and manners outside the home. Here we have the chance and we don't want to do it.
Consider this when posting or discussing. If you think you would not want your child to see it or read about it, then for gosh sake , don't post it.I have come across pages here at work and home that I quickly got rid of because I didn't expect to see such crap on such a site....... Please TTAdmin,,,, put out some rules here because the rules that one used to be able to count on for self governing of censorship and bad taste and deterioratin and some people have to be reminded outright that some things are in bad taste, regardless of what we personally feel,, let's keep others in mind

[OhioProstar]

Seriously, does anyone have an opinion on this topic? Lets not hold back here.

[BriEOD]

Please TTAdmin,,,, put out some rules here because the rules that one used to be able to count on for self governing of censorship and bad taste and deterioratin and some people have to be reminded outright that some things are in bad taste, regardless of what we personally feel,, let's keep others in mind

I completely DISAGREE. This site has been going for a good bunch of years. I have been on the site as long as any heavy active user and seen 3 facelifts. The site has always been able to collaborate within itself. I've seen very few heated arguments and offensive material. Whenever someone asked to calm something down, everyone accomodated the request in a timely manner. TT Admin should not have to come up with any rules. I think everyone understands: please don't post porn, offensive jokes, etc. However, the basis of the site is about the boats but reguarly spreads to beer drinking, wives/girlfriends, hobbies, etc. I would assume the face of the majority of this site is males 20-50 in age and the discussions reflect such. The site does a fine of job policing itself and if one of the moderators needs to step in they always send out a warning email or just delete something. By adding rules, well one rule leads to another and so on. The site is fine the way it is.

[atlfootr]

I have gone on the Maliby board and haven't seen any such discussions.Guess some of us need to change boards, start other new threads elsewhere. :eek3:

[kamakaze19]

Let your conscience be your guide

[jake]

I find it interesting that some folks assume that if people don't want this type of content on TT it has to be because they are offended by it. I know I'm not offended by the content, but I don't think it's appropriate in this space.

Once again, the internet has roughly 100 million billion sites dedicated to the NSFW topic...only one for Mastercraft teamtalk.

[OhioProstar]

"Once again, the internet has roughly 100 million billion sites dedicated to the NSFW topic...only one for Mastercraft teamtalk."

HERE, HERE....LOCK THE THREAD!!!!

[mitch]

Gene, Happen to notice at exactly 10:09AM, you were viewing the swimsuits pics thread. What are you doing over there? :confused: :wavey:

I'm joshing ya Gene you can go wherever you like.. :D

[gene dobies]

I'm glad to see we're all checking up on each other

[tex]

the thread was fine until you included pictures with jet skis! Those jet skiers always f things up!

[east tx skier]

I completely DISAGREE. This site has been going for a good bunch of years. I have been on the site as long as any heavy active user and seen 3 facelifts. The site has always been able to collaborate within itself. I've seen very few heated arguments and offensive material. Whenever someone asked to calm something down, everyone accomodated the request in a timely manner. TT Admin should not have to come up with any rules. I think everyone understands: please don't post porn, offensive jokes, etc. However, the basis of the site is about the boats but reguarly spreads to beer drinking, wives/girlfriends, hobbies, etc. I would assume the face of the majority of this site is males 20-50 in age and the discussions reflect such. The site does a fine of job policing itself and if one of the moderators needs to step in they always send out a warning email or just delete something. By adding rules, well one rule leads to another and so on. The site is fine the way it is.

Brian is absolutely right. TTAdmin has more important things to attend to, like posting the old WSM articles. I got on board here roughly the same time as Brian. Every once in a while, these things need to get hashed out. This is not the malibu board. This is a site paid for by the boat company. I think it's great we have the freedom on here we do, and I am happy to let the users govern without more rules from MC. I, for one, don't want to see threads locked or deleted. That happened once before, and I was quick to note my disgust with it all. We've done well with this for several years (and probably for quite some time before that) policing this board and I see no reason why that cannot continue.

By the way, although the MBO forum has a ton of members and matching content. Am I the only one that has noticed how little new stuff gets posted over there?

[MarkP]

Brian is absolutely right.
Um,

I hate to do this but can I second that

[atlfootr]

Brian is absolutely right.Show of hands, in agreement w/ Brian :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[bradamerry]

Um,

I hate to do this but can I second that


Damn It, nobody ever says the Wildman is right :rant: !
But I do agree :confused: with Brian.

[milkmania]

I will say one thing, there was an argument raised about what to expect in a thread from the title, well I started a thread yesterday on impellar maintenace and we ended up with a questionable tatoo picture (which has since been removed). How would you ever expect to see something like that when you just want to find out how to remove and install a new impellar. The questionable stuff isn't limited to off topic discussions or blatantly obvious thread titles. I was monitoring the impellar thread at work, and I had to close out real quick when I came across that. I'm not coming down on anyone, please don't think that, nobdy means any harm I'm sure when they post something, and for me no harm done.


I apologize for that little slip-up...I got caught up in the moment and didn't let my better sense direct me.

[Leroy]

Right on Brieod; your no rule missive is right on.

[bcampbe7]

This brings a commercial to mind. Judging by this thread, I'm not sure many of you watch MTV. However, they have a cartoon type commercial that is so true. It consist of a Mother and her child (may not be hers) sitting on a couch watching TV. All you see is the back of the TV in the foreground with the two characters facing the viewer. You hear all sorts of gun fire, explosions, and screams coming from the TV they are watching. Then you hear kissing and moaning coming from the TV. At this point the Mother covers the eyes of the child. Hilarious! She allows the child to watch the violent program but not the "racey" program. I would be willing to bet that more people have been hurt and even killed by a violent act than a little T&A.

I agree with the statement that we are able to police ourselves, and should be. Also, MC has every right to censor THEIR website.

IMHO, the pics in the swimsuit thread were not over-the-top. If you are worried about your children seeing this stuff, DON'T LET THEM! There are many ways to prevent your children from seeing offensive stuff on the internet. Find one that works for you.

Also, voicing your opinion against a particular thread and then going on to view said thread is purely hypocritical.

NOTE: I have changed my signature accordingly.

[east tx skier]

All the episodes of Cribs I watched last night and I didn't see that commercial. So true. We need more tags for threads. www.fark.com has a nice "boobies" tag. Can I say that anymore?

[phecksel]

I'm far far from being a prude, but some of the material labeled as smut, porn, etc does not belong on this site.

[bcampbe7]

I'm far far from being a prude, but some of the material labeled as smut, porn, etc does not belong on this site.
People have different interpretations of the words smut, porn, ect...

[gene dobies]

I find it interesting that some folks assume that if people don't want this type of content on TT it has to be because they are offended by it. I know I'm not offended by the content, but I don't think it's appropriate in this space.

Once again, the internet has roughly 100 million billion sites dedicated to the NSFW topic...only one for Mastercraft teamtalk.

You summed it up nicely

[tex]

a great mathmatician!

[Stritt]

Just returned from a business trip. I'm not going to read through all the post because more than likely it will go down so many different paths away from the original point. Kind of like arguing with a 15 year old daughter......that I know about. :rolleyes: I agree whole heartledly with Capt. Kidd.....I have noticed that the envelope is continually getting pushed. I will stand up and say "Please stop it". That it MY opinion....so with that said, this is not my board. The administator of this site, again...in my opinion, needs to be the one that sets some guidelines. So, I guess I just challenged him or her. Let the bashing begin or continue. :)

[pdoppenheim]

I agree that some of the avatars are a bit offensive. I don't mind the links to humorous things that may be a little off color. There you have to option to go or not.

While we're on the subject, the moving avatars are annoying regardless of their content.

[atlfootr]

I agree that some of the avatars are a bit offensive. While we're on the subject, the moving avatars are annoying regardless of their content.Excuse me? May I ask you pdoppenheim, -- have YOU EVER tried or even attempted to create one :rant:

It ain't as easy as it looks :noface: If you think it is, have at it :twocents:
In some third world countries, it's actually considered an art :toast:

[ChrisG]

WOW!! I was the first person to post a response to captkidd's thread and here we are 24 hours later on the 103rd post. I think everyone has said what they had to say...lets not beat a dead horse. By the way, I agree with what Brian said. Lets get back to boating, skiing, and wakeboarding...its FRIDAY!!!!!!!! :toast:

[east tx skier]

a great mathmatician!

Mmmmmmmm, 3.14. ;)

[bcampbe7]

Mmmmmmmm, 3.14. ;)
1592654....

[mgurley]

While we're on the subject, the moving avatars are annoying regardless of their content.[/QUOTE]

Easy your going hurt MarkP's feelings.

[east tx skier]

I, for one, would be said to see the Purple Porno Hippo go. That is the Hipponification of MarkP if I've ever imagined it.

[tex]

i like the hippo. it reminds me of a college roomate's old girlfriend!

[mgurley]

How about moving emoticons does that annoy anyone? If not.......

:banana: :banana: :banana: :eek3:


I kid. I kid.

[Professor]

No Purple Hippo??? Now that would be disturbing…

[bradamerry]

How about moving emoticons does that annoy anyone? If not.......

:banana: :banana: :banana: :eek3:
Are you going to the April race ?

[mgurley]

I usually get some skybox tickets for the Busch race so I may do that again. But as of right now I don't have any plans to go on sunday. I am closing on my new house in April and I am afraid to make to many plans.

If I run across some cheap tickets for sunday the wife and I may go. If I do I will let you know. Maybe we can have a few brews. :friday:

[bradamerry]

I usually get some skybox tickets for the Busch race so I may do that again. But as of right now I don't have any plans to go on sunday. I am closing on my new house in April and I am afraid to make to many plans.

If I run across some cheap tickets for sunday the wife and I may go. If I do I will let you know. Maybe we can have a few brews. :friday:
I think my group may have some extra tickets. You would have to sit by the Wildman and no Gordon fans, please. We already have one :mad: ! We will go to both races, Busch and Cup!

[jimmer2880]

Ok - this thread is way too long to read the whole thing.... but - I agree with needing a warning. NSFW is a good one. I usually search this site from work on my "lunch" hour.

From a non-censorship side - the swimsuit thread should be people we know in a swimsuit. Otherwise, it just turns into a who has the bigger stash of pic's thread.

[BriEOD]

Let this thread die please!

[ski36short]

One more proposal... have MC pull that ad of the dude sitting naked at his PC in exchange for "cleaning up" this board! That was more than I needed to see personally!

[mitch]

That ad was deplorable, and showed a complete lack of respect for the boating public. My impressionable children are still having trouble sleeping :D

[atlfootr]

This one, I missed :mad:

[mitch]

Back of March WS mag. The guy clearly has not spent too much time at the serious end of a tow rope ;) A widdle thick in the middle, he is.!

[atlfootr]

This one, I missed :mad:Now, I know why. I stopped reading WSMag on page 80, article regarding "Barefoot Endurance",
barefoot skiing. Anyone else, read it? :headbang:

[Hoosier Bob]

I agree with you. The swimsuit thread started out with some great pics of "our" ladies doing what they do best. Skiing, sunning and having fun on a Mastercraft. I have found that it is easy to avoid the "problematic" threads but some threads start out as clean fun and progress to something I expect to read elsewhere. Thanks to Capt and Leroy for supporting a family site. I know I have crossed some lines in the past and will work to keep it real. The swimsuit site was a great beginning. Most of the woman in the pics have no ties to any one of us. Links work well and can be designated as NSFW. May be our best compromise. All in all this is still an awesome site and we have a blast thanks to TMC and not the FCC. I am not offended but I understand everyones concerns. Stay away from my drinkin thread! :friday:
See ya!For the swimsuit thread, Stevo started this ~900 posts ago with a nice pix of his wife. Starting a great string of posts from members. I would say posts of your family is fine.

Having thought about it, I would say posts of "strangers" should be removed, if for no reason other than legal. Likely to find copyright material there which we may or may not have the right to use. As much as I enjoy them, and don't consider most of the girls in bathing suits smut. If we don't police it TTADMIN will and I hate using his time for this. I don't even think NSFW is adequate on public MasterCraft
forum. PM for this.

Hopefully we can quickly reach a decision on what to do. I think above suggestion would appease the board's moral right and really be the right thing to do. But this is certainly open for discussion and that is what has made this board great is being showing respect and being able to talk through an occasional issue like this.......

Besides you are about to pass my post count with these pix Brad! Now I will have to save them to my PC.

I do like your comment Tex, funny, "it's the wakeboarders and tubers"!

[Hoosier Bob]

Are Leroy, Mag, yourself and me still going to have that pic taken of us with our skis in our banana suits? Was that not the intent of the thread? PS our wives/girlfriends are hot! We are proud of what we got! See ya! :uglyhamme I totally agree that it should stay in good taste and not be offensive.
Just look at the MC literature, bikinis all over the place!
Again as stated before, this all started as just "real" swimsuit pics of real ladies out enjoying a hot summer day, nothing more.
It is as much a part of boating and watersports as the boat itself.
I really enjoyed seeing the pics that showed the wife or girlfriend skiing.
It is no different than if we were all out together on our boats having a great time.