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bxroads
07-25-2007, 07:27 AM
On the instructions it says that the 5200 fully cures in 5 days (I don't remember the exact number of days but somewhere in that range). The instructions do not mention when it is safe to introduce the sealant to water.

I'm going to install a Perfect Pass Friday night and will use the 5200 on the paddle wheel. Will it be OK to put the boat in the water on Saturday? If not, is there another alternative that I can get locally?

bigmac
07-25-2007, 08:24 AM
On the instructions it says that the 5200 fully cures in 5 days (I don't remember the exact number of days but somewhere in that range). The instructions do not mention when it is safe to introduce the sealant to water.

I'm going to install a Perfect Pass Friday night and will use the 5200 on the paddle wheel. Will it be OK to put the boat in the water on Saturday? If not, is there another alternative that I can get locally?3M makes a fast-cure version of the 5200 (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/28713/377%20710/0/3m/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=3m&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=3m&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=null&subdeptNum=null&classNum=null)which might work out better - it's good to go in about 24 hours. They also make a conventional marine-grade silicone sealant (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/14400/377%20710/0/3m/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=3m&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=3m&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=null&subdeptNum=null&classNum=null). The longer-cure version of the 5200 is good stuff, but it does indeed take forever to set up. I used it in sealing my swim platform rubber deck replacement.

P-hat_in_Cincy
07-25-2007, 08:32 AM
Something else you can check out. I bonded my below waterline thru-hulls in with 3M 4000 UV fast cure. I decided to stay away from 3M 5200 b/c I wanted something a little more workable if I need to remove a thru hull or fitting.

See description here... (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/81605/377%20710/0/3m%204000/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=3m%204000&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=3m%204000&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=null&subdeptNum=null&classNum=null) or direct 3M information here... (http://www.3mestore.com/60980042885.html)

bigmac
07-25-2007, 08:42 AM
Something else you can check out. I bonded my below waterline thru-hulls in with 3M 4000 UV fast cure. I decided to stay away from 3M 5200 b/c I wanted something a little more workable if I need to remove a thru hull or fitting.

See description here... (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/81605/377%20710/0/3m%204000/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=3m%204000&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=3m%204000&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=null&subdeptNum=null&classNum=null) or direct 3M information here... (http://www.3mestore.com/60980042885.html)

Good point - that 5200 is there for good. It would be a bugger to get that paddlewheel housing back out of there if you ever had to do it. I'd probably be more inclined to go with a silicone marine-grade sealant rather than the 5200, which is polyurethane. It seals very well, but is probably designed more as an adhesive than a sealant.

P-hat_in_Cincy
07-25-2007, 08:49 AM
My only prior experience was with 5200, but after discussions (I think some with MYMC), I opted for the 4000. You will have NO reservations about using it once you start working with the stuff and feel how tacky it is.

4 thru hulls below the waterline and not a drop of water.

beatle78
07-25-2007, 08:50 AM
I also used 3M 4200 or whatever the version that was SEMI-permanent on my PP paddle wheel.

The PERMANENT 5200 scared me a little. I like to be able to remove/tweak things if I need to, ya know?

etakk7
07-25-2007, 09:38 AM
I get that, but what the heck would you do with the 2" hole that is now exposed if you moved the paddlewheel?

bigmac
07-25-2007, 10:05 AM
I get that, but what the heck would you do with the 2" hole that is now exposed if you moved the paddlewheel?Not so much remove as replace. Obviously, the hole is there for good, but if the paddlewheel housing were damage, say, in a trailer bunk accident...getting the damaged housing detached from the hull with 5200 in place...that's going to be a frustrating job and is likely to require some sort of power tool instead of just a sharp knife.

shepherd
07-25-2007, 10:28 AM
On the instructions it says that the 5200 fully cures in 5 days (I don't remember the exact number of days but somewhere in that range). The instructions do not mention when it is safe to introduce the sealant to water.

I'm going to install a Perfect Pass Friday night and will use the 5200 on the paddle wheel. Will it be OK to put the boat in the water on Saturday? If not, is there another alternative that I can get locally?

Hey bx, who did you buy your PerfectPass from? Can I guess? :rolleyes:

Like others hear say, I wouldn't use 5200 on anything that I may want to remove/replace in the future. That's why the stuff is so great otherwise - it seals and holds forever. You'll need a chisel to remove it.

bxroads
07-25-2007, 10:50 AM
Shepherd, I'm a little ashamed that I didn't buy the perfect pass from who you're thinking. It would be too much trouble for me to make the drive twice for what I perceive to be a rather simple install. I ordered from Skier to Skier.

I will add that I've already picked up the S&S and Jody did fabulous work and for a reasonable price. I’ll definitely use him for any work on the Prostar. As bad as I hate to say it, I am HARD to please and could find a fault in most anything. Its hard to make me happy. Jody made me happy!

I just talked to Max and he said not to use the 5200. He said that Vaseline got him through an entire wakeboard tournament without a leak! Obviously this was an emergency install that later was properly sealed but you get the point. Max said to pick up any silicon sealant at the local hardware store and put the boat on the water immediately.

Isn’t it nice to talk to someone who has been there and done that, several times!

Rich_G
07-25-2007, 11:02 AM
On the instructions it says that the 5200 fully cures in 5 days (I don't remember the exact number of days but somewhere in that range). The instructions do not mention when it is safe to introduce the sealant to water.

I'm going to install a Perfect Pass Friday night and will use the 5200 on the paddle wheel. Will it be OK to put the boat in the water on Saturday? If not, is there another alternative that I can get locally?

I don't have the product specs in front of me, but I remember that the 5200 forms a water-tight seal in less than 24 hours, but will continue curing even under water. So yes, you could use it the next day.

Like others said, I would only use the 5200 on something permanent like a bronze thru-hull. A paddle wheel could break and need replacing.

beatle78
07-25-2007, 12:54 PM
I get that, but what the heck would you do with the 2" hole that is now exposed if you moved the paddlewheel?

not moved, but damaged, or misaligned could cause me to have to take it off.

I never get anything perfect the first time.

shepherd
07-25-2007, 02:14 PM
Shepherd, I'm a little ashamed that I didn't buy the perfect pass from who you're thinking. It would be too much trouble for me to make the drive twice for what I perceive to be a rather simple install. I ordered from Skier to Skier.



Don't be ashamed. It's just a little joke we have on the lake. Every time we see Jody out there, he tries to sell us a PerfectPass system (I've got one in the new boat now, but my ski buddy doesn't in his) or something else. Like I told you, he's a real salesman so I just assumed he sold one to you.

Good luck with the install and I'm glad he did good work for you. In the absence of a local MC dealer, he's the best we got in this area for service and repair issues.

bxroads
07-25-2007, 03:48 PM
Shepard, are you in the PC area? Do you ski at the lake where Jody does? I'm a novice skier. Sometime when my family is spending time at the beach you'll have to show me a thing or two.

shepherd
07-25-2007, 10:56 PM
Shepard, are you in the PC area? Do you ski at the lake where Jody does? I'm a novice skier. Sometime when my family is spending time at the beach you'll have to show me a thing or two.

I see him out there a lot, but he spends time over at Cory Pickos' school (Destin area) too. I think he maintains Cory's boats, which is kind of funny since he's a CC guy and Cory uses MCs.

If you come to the beach and want a pull, shoot me a PM.