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Willski
06-25-2007, 04:19 PM
I used to get hurt skiing. Now I get hurt thinking about and getting ready to ski. Just getting the boat ready to go to the lake yesterday and my back started hurting. Could have been lifting the shop vac into the boat, but by the time I got to the lake I could barely walk. Came home and iced it. It feels better, but I stayed home today to ice more and go see the doc. Anti-inflammatories and muscle relaxers. Hope it works. I have had this same situation before, but usually I have to do something to cause it!!

kingu
06-25-2007, 04:26 PM
Happend to me about three weeks ago. Three days off of work, several handfulls of hydrocodone and skelaxin, and an MRI later I find out I have two herniated disks. Doc told me to stay off the water...yeah right. Hope your news is better than mine was.

Willski
06-25-2007, 04:30 PM
Didn't do x-rays this time. In the past I've been told I have mild to moderate disk degeneration. I have skelaxin too. Usually works for me. Haven't dipped into my hydracodone supply yet. I usually don't take much for the pain because that is my indicator of if I am getting better.

trickskier
06-25-2007, 04:31 PM
I don't know how OLD you are, but I'm 50 and have never missed work because of my back and my L5 is herniated..................
Take some advil before going skiing & going to bed. Then suck it up & go to work......................;)

kingu
06-25-2007, 04:32 PM
They sure do help you sleep though.

Willski
06-25-2007, 04:36 PM
I don't know how OLD you are, but I'm 50 and have never missed work because of my back and my L5 is herniated..................
Take some advil before going skiing & going to bed. Then suck it up & go to work......................;)


Jeez. A guy loses his hat and get's a little testy.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-25-2007, 04:40 PM
Laugh at me all you want, but Yoga does wonders for your flexability. The benefits of Proper stretching are many. I have alot fewer aches and pains than I used to. And when I do get sore or hurt, I heal much quicker. Obviously you need to heal first, but then you should look into yoga. Professional massages are good too. I like to have a periodic massage. its good for the muscles to get any tough spots out.

Willski
06-25-2007, 04:43 PM
I agree UMP. Never done Yoga, but with my past troubles, I am supposed to be doing back stretches and excercises. I don't get hurt when I do them. Then I get lazy, out of shape, then try to do crazy things to my body and get hurt. It is my own fault. If you don't believe me ask my wife.

chudson
06-25-2007, 04:44 PM
Laugh at me all you want, but Yoga does wonders for your flexability. The benefits of Proper stretching are many. I have alot fewer aches and pains than I used to. And when I do get sore or hurt, I heal much quicker. Obviously you need to heal first, but then you should look into yoga. Professional massages are good too. I like to have a periodic massage. its good for the muscles to get any tough spots out.

Do you have a memorized routine or do you watch a DVD?

trickskier
06-25-2007, 04:48 PM
Jeez. A guy loses his hat and get's a little testy.
LOL...................Come-on now you need to keep up with this OLD MAN!!! ;)

M-Funf
06-25-2007, 04:49 PM
Stretching is really important for me, especially if the water is cold. My muscles get really f'd up if I don't stretch.

I'm 44. I usually take an Aleve BEFORE I go skiing, and at least two Martini's afterward :rolleyes:

TX.X-30 fan
06-25-2007, 04:52 PM
Laugh at me all you want, but Yoga does wonders for your flexability. The benefits of Proper stretching are many. I have alot fewer aches and pains than I used to. And when I do get sore or hurt, I heal much quicker. Obviously you need to heal first, but then you should look into yoga. Professional massages are good too. I like to have a periodic massage. its good for the muscles to get any tough spots out.



UMP you follow that yogi with some ricecakes, diet snapple peach iced tea and the banana. :confused: :D

Mag_Red
06-25-2007, 04:55 PM
LOL...................Come-on now you need to keep up with this OLD MAN!!! ;)Hey! :rant: I believe I'm the old man around here!:D

Willski
06-25-2007, 05:12 PM
LOL...................Come-on now you need to keep up with this OLD MAN!!! ;)

I'm tryin. Had a history of this, so I'm treating it so I can still ski in my old age. Not that you're old.....just older. :cool:

trickskier
06-25-2007, 05:15 PM
Hey! :rant: I believe I'm the old man around here!:D
OK, Mag I concede...............You've got me by 1 year................:D

M-Funf
06-25-2007, 05:17 PM
its good for the muscles to get any tough spots out.

Uh, huh :rolleyes:

TMCNo1
06-25-2007, 05:17 PM
OK, Mag I concede...............You've got me by 1 year................:D


Man am I glad the new 60 is 40!:rolleyes: :cool: :D

trickskier
06-25-2007, 05:18 PM
I'm tryin. Had a history of this, so I'm treating it so I can still ski in my old age. Not that you're old.....just older. :cool:
Trust me, I am OLD...............Some of us just have a higher threshold for PAIN.....................J/K.....................Seriously, I hope you get better...............:D Try some Cutty & H2o.................Pain goes AWAY in no time!!!

TX.X-30 fan
06-25-2007, 05:20 PM
Link for Mag and Trick. :D



http://www.aarp.org/

RexDog1
06-25-2007, 05:28 PM
Link for Mag and Trick. :D



http://www.aarp.org/

OMG I would :uglyhamme ……but I am getting old

Old Guys Kick Butt :headbang:

TMCNo1
06-25-2007, 05:28 PM
Link for Mag and Trick. :D



http://www.aarp.org/


At 50, AARP starts sending you their info to join, plus I think they may even send him a AARP hat to put in the rear window tray of your Cadillac! All trickskier needs is another hat!

bigmac
06-25-2007, 05:49 PM
Hey! :rant: I believe I'm the old man around here!:DI'm not so sure....

M-Funf
06-25-2007, 05:50 PM
I'm not so sure....

:uglyhamme

TX.X-30 fan
06-25-2007, 06:15 PM
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Old Guys Kick Butt :headbang:




Not far behind ya'll. ;)



I hear they have boat decals like this. :D


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BuzzSr
06-25-2007, 06:32 PM
Age is just a frame of mind... My body keeps trying to remind my mind of how old I am.. UMP is right about the streching, it really is the key to less pain. Haven't tried the Yoga stuff yet but know several that have and seems to work. I fall into the lazy catagory.

Willski
06-26-2007, 09:04 AM
I'm waiting for stories about how the oldies used to ski the course upcurrent both ways through 2 feet of chop with just a piece of plywood to stand on and no handle on the rope........

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-26-2007, 09:11 AM
UMP you follow that yogi with some ricecakes, diet snapple peach iced tea and the banana. :confused: :D
Nope! I detailed my eating habits on a different thread, right to the penny. I dont eat all weird like that. I am just a big believer in stretching. :)

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-26-2007, 09:13 AM
Do you have a memorized routine or do you watch a DVD?
I learned from several yoga classes, so I picked up things from there that I do for stretches. I also have a few DVDs as well. and I have some guided meditation CD's and DVDs that really work well for relaxation and quieting the mind. And trust me, my mind needs quieting!:o

trickskier
06-26-2007, 09:22 AM
I'm waiting for stories about how the oldies used to ski the course upcurrent both ways through 2 feet of chop with just a piece of plywood to stand on and no handle on the rope........
Well now that you mention it, I learned to ski on a pair of wooden Dick Pope Cypress Gardens skis................My first competition ski was an "El Bruto" wooden Cypress Gardens ski with a concave bottom.........:D

Willski
06-26-2007, 09:33 AM
I learned from several yoga classes, so I picked up things from there that I do for stretches. I also have a few DVDs as well. and I have some guided meditation CD's and DVDs that really work well for relaxation and quieting the mind. And trust me, my mind needs quieting!:o

I have some DVDs too, but I think it would hurt my back just to watch them. Maybe we are talking about a different type of DVD.

trickskier
06-26-2007, 09:35 AM
I learned from several yoga classes, :o

Well............That explains a lot.................:D

chudson
06-26-2007, 09:35 AM
I learned from several yoga classes, so I picked up things from there that I do for stretches. I also have a few DVDs as well. and I have some guided meditation CD's and DVDs that really work well for relaxation and quieting the mind. And trust me, my mind needs quieting!:o

Thanks for the reply, was just curious and begining to think serious about it!!!

kingu
06-26-2007, 10:11 AM
Well now that you mention it, I learned to ski on a pair of wooden Dick Pope Cypress Gardens skis................My first competition ski was an "El Bruto" wooden Cypress Gardens ski with a concave bottom.........:D

Mine was a Cypress Gardens "El Diablo." It was so old, the wood literally split apart one day while I was skiing on it.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-26-2007, 10:32 AM
Well............That explains a lot.................:D
You musta missed the famous yoga thread. :cool: I took a shellackin' on that one!!!

trickskier
06-26-2007, 10:35 AM
Mine was a Cypress Gardens "El Diablo." It was so old, the wood literally split apart one day while I was skiing on it.
Hope you were able to avoid the splinters.................:rolleyes:

Unfortunately, my El Bruto was stolen.................:mad:

Willski
06-26-2007, 10:36 AM
I started on wooden skis myself. Almost 30 years ago.

ski_king
06-26-2007, 10:39 AM
Mine was a old Sea King (Montgomery Wards) that I added a hugh fin to and thought it was the greatest ski ever. Then upgraded to a Northland Shark (wood) then Obrien WTC, and on and on......

Speaking of older skiers...... Lets see a picture of TMCNo1 skiing!

trickskier
06-26-2007, 10:41 AM
I started on wooden skis myself. Almost 30 years ago.
You're not much older than that now.......................:D

Willski
06-26-2007, 10:55 AM
Nope. Started when I was 6. My parents bought a boat when I was 8. They have had various boats up until just a few weeks ago. They sold their boat and didn't replace it. Kind of sad. They golf a lot and have a motor home now. I can't see myself not owning a boat!

TMCNo1
06-26-2007, 11:00 AM
Mine was a old Sea King (Montgomery Wards) that I added a hugh fin to and thought it was the greatest ski ever. Then upgraded to a Northland Shark (wood) then Obrien WTC, and on and on......

Speaking of older skiers...... Lets see a picture of TMCNo1 skiing!


None recently!
I learned to ski in 1958 on the Catawba River on a pair of ashe skies my mother got with S & H Green stamps for my birthday. I still have one of the pair. That was nearly 50 years ago, Wow! Today, I could care less if I ski, I would rather drive trick or slalom and enjoy the scenery!

ski_king
06-26-2007, 11:03 AM
None recently!
I learned to ski in 1958 on the Catawba River on a pair of ashe skies my mother got with S & H Green stamps for my birthday. I still have one of the pair. That was nearly 50 years ago, Wow! Today, I could care less if I ski, I would rather drive trick or slalom and enjoy the scenery!
I can relate, towing the kids behind the boat is almost (if not more) as much fun as skiing.

I still love to ski, I just don't get the chance to do it nearly as often as I would like.

trickskier
06-26-2007, 11:08 AM
That was nearly 50 years ago, Wow! Today, I could care less if I ski, I would rather drive trick or slalom and enjoy the scenery!

Now Harold............you KNOW you would LOVE to ski if they only made waterproof cigarettes.....................:D

fintek9
06-26-2007, 11:09 AM
gotta laugh at this one, my back went out on me yesterday morning,
unloading a truck.. spent all last night on couch, leaving early today to do the same!!!

André
06-26-2007, 11:19 AM
Count me in!
Back is hurting a lot this year.It's getting harder to get back in ski shape each year.Will turn 43 in a couples of weeks and those many sets i take each weeks, having the chance of living on my lake, are hard on the body.
Will i stop skiing? Never!!! (I hope!):)

COboarder
06-26-2007, 11:59 AM
Waterskiing and wakeboarding are unique sports. There are not too many athletic activities where you sit in a truck for an hour, sit in your boat for an hour, jump into cold water and then attempt to hold back 300HP with a rope and a fancy stick. In short, we go from being completely sedentary to going all out in the amount of time it takes to get your ski or board on. Does that sound like a bad situation?

As for the "Getting Old" theme, as we all age our connective tissue (collagen fibers) become less elastic. Collagen is also more elastic when warm, less elastic when cold (relatively). So there may be more potential for injury with "older" connective tissue and without warming up first. Old is also a relative term. Most of us begin loosing the elasticity of our tissues as we leave our 20's!

So short of installing a hot tub in your ski boat, what to do? We have all established routines to prep our boats and tow vehicles. How about a routine to prep your body? This does not have to be an hour-long strengthtraining/cardio/stretching/cooldown/ice regimen. Some sort of an active warm up (walking to the far parking lot in Timbuktu and back would suffice) and some general stretches. Yoga is a great way to get educated in a comprehensive stretching regimen, but if you have an injury it would be prudent to have a professional educate you on what to do and not do. There are also spinal stabilization exercises (NOT sit-ups) that are taught by physical therapists, and increasingly by personal trainers, Pilates instructors etc. Water sports do use a lot of spinal extensor (back) muscles and there are safe and not so safe ways of strengthening these muscles as well.

The other thing to do is to listen your body. Skip the last pull of the day when you are tired and the light is fading and be able to ski or board next weekend.

willski - I would recommend that you look into finding a competent physical therapist in your area. Preferably this is someone that does deal with athletes or is an Orthopedic Clinical Specialist (OCS). They should be able to provide you with the education and/or hands on treatment that you need to keep you on the water.

COboarder
06-26-2007, 11:59 AM
Waterskiing and wakeboarding are unique sports. There are not too many athletic activities where you sit in a truck for an hour, sit in your boat for an hour, jump into cold water and then attempt to hold back 300HP with a rope and a fancy stick. In short, we go from being completely sedentary to going all out in the amount of time it takes to get your ski or board on. Does that sound like a bad situation?

As for the "Getting Old" theme, as we all age our connective tissue (collagen fibers) become less elastic. Collagen is also more elastic when warm, less elastic when cold (relatively). So there may be more potential for injury with "older" connective tissue and without warming up first. Old is also a relative term. Most of us begin loosing the elasticity of our tissues as we leave our 20's!

So short of installing a hot tub in your ski boat, what to do? We have all established routines to prep our boats and tow vehicles. How about a routine to prep your body? This does not have to be an hour-long strengthtraining/cardio/stretching/cooldown/ice regimen. Some sort of an active warm up (walking to the far parking lot in Timbuktu and back would suffice) and some general stretches. Yoga is a great way to get educated in a comprehensive stretching regimen, but if you have an injury it would be prudent to have a professional educate you on what to do and not do. There are also spinal stabilization exercises (NOT sit-ups) that are taught by physical therapists, and increasingly by personal trainers, Pilates instructors etc. Water sports do use a lot of spinal extensor (back) muscles and there are safe and not so safe ways of strengthening these muscles as well.

The other thing to do is to listen your body. Skip the last pull of the day when you are tired and the light is fading and be able to ski or board next weekend.

willski - I would recommend that you look into finding a competent physical therapist in your area. Preferably this is someone that does deal with athletes or is an Orthopedic Clinical Specialist (OCS). They should be able to provide you with the education and/or hands on treatment that you need to keep you on the water.

André
06-26-2007, 12:12 PM
Waterskiing and wakeboarding are unique sports. There are not too many athletic activities where you sit in a truck for an hour, sit in your boat for an hour, jump into cold water and then attempt to hold back 300HP with a rope and a fancy stick. In short, we go from being completely sedentary to going all out in the amount of time it takes to get your ski or board on. Does that sound like a bad situation?

As for the "Getting Old" theme, as we all age our connective tissue (collagen fibers) become less elastic. Collagen is also more elastic when warm, less elastic when cold (relatively). So there may be more potential for injury with "older" connective tissue and without warming up first. Old is also a relative term. Most of us begin loosing the elasticity of our tissues as we leave our 20's!

So short of installing a hot tub in your ski boat, what to do? We have all established routines to prep our boats and tow vehicles. How about a routine to prep your body? This does not have to be an hour-long strengthtraining/cardio/stretching/cooldown/ice regimen. Some sort of an active warm up (walking to the far parking lot in Timbuktu and back would suffice) and some general stretches. Yoga is a great way to get educated in a comprehensive stretching regimen, but if you have an injury it would be prudent to have a professional educate you on what to do and not do. There are also spinal stabilization exercises (NOT sit-ups) that are taught by physical therapists, and increasingly by personal trainers, Pilates instructors etc. Water sports do use a lot of spinal extensor (back) muscles and there are safe and not so safe ways of strengthening these muscles as well.

The other thing to do is to listen your body. Skip the last pull of the day when you are tired and the light is fading and be able to ski or board next weekend.

willski - I would recommend that you look into finding a competent physical therapist in your area. Preferably this is someone that does deal with athletes or is an Orthopedic Clinical Specialist (OCS). They should be able to provide you with the education and/or hands on treatment that you need to keep you on the water.

Good post!!!

Willski
06-26-2007, 12:21 PM
Waterskiing and wakeboarding are unique sports. There are not too many athletic activities where you sit in a truck for an hour, sit in your boat for an hour, jump into cold water and then attempt to hold back 300HP with a rope and a fancy stick. In short, we go from being completely sedentary to going all out in the amount of time it takes to get your ski or board on. Does that sound like a bad situation?

As for the "Getting Old" theme, as we all age our connective tissue (collagen fibers) become less elastic. Collagen is also more elastic when warm, less elastic when cold (relatively). So there may be more potential for injury with "older" connective tissue and without warming up first. Old is also a relative term. Most of us begin loosing the elasticity of our tissues as we leave our 20's!

So short of installing a hot tub in your ski boat, what to do? We have all established routines to prep our boats and tow vehicles. How about a routine to prep your body? This does not have to be an hour-long strengthtraining/cardio/stretching/cooldown/ice regimen. Some sort of an active warm up (walking to the far parking lot in Timbuktu and back would suffice) and some general stretches. Yoga is a great way to get educated in a comprehensive stretching regimen, but if you have an injury it would be prudent to have a professional educate you on what to do and not do. There are also spinal stabilization exercises (NOT sit-ups) that are taught by physical therapists, and increasingly by personal trainers, Pilates instructors etc. Water sports do use a lot of spinal extensor (back) muscles and there are safe and not so safe ways of strengthening these muscles as well.

The other thing to do is to listen your body. Skip the last pull of the day when you are tired and the light is fading and be able to ski or board next weekend.

willski - I would recommend that you look into finding a competent physical therapist in your area. Preferably this is someone that does deal with athletes or is an Orthopedic Clinical Specialist (OCS). They should be able to provide you with the education and/or hands on treatment that you need to keep you on the water.

I agree. I have gone to PT for my back a few years ago. I plan to get back into my back exercises and stretching when I heal.

I'm sure it all stems from the situation you talked about. That sedentary to all out transition is not good. I also work a desk job, and rely on skiing as my exercise. I need to exercise, and rely on skiing as a supplement to exercise and a form of entertainment. It is too hard on a body to do when you're not in shape. Especially running the course.

chudson
06-26-2007, 12:28 PM
Man the Doctor is in!!! Excellent post "COboarder" Thanks :dance:

And if not said before "Welcome" :wavey:

kingu
06-26-2007, 01:14 PM
Here's what my physical therapist has me doing. It has helped me quite a bit, maybe it will help you too.

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kingu
06-26-2007, 01:18 PM
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M-Funf
06-26-2007, 01:31 PM
Although not apparent from the way I look today, I DO go to the gym...

I worked with a trainer for a couple of sessions (free advice) to figure out what exercises would be best for me as a waterskier. The trainer is a wakeboarder, so he knows the areas that get the most work.

One of the pieces I use quite a bit is this lower back Cybex piece:

http://www.ecybex.com/Products/Data/MainImages/12100.png

It's their back extension device. Like any other piece of equipment, start slow...

Before I started using it, my back would ache after a day of skiing. Now other parts ache way before my lower back....:rolleyes:

COboarder
06-26-2007, 01:51 PM
kingu - you have been provided with a nice list of McKenzie extension exercises (often, but not always a good tool for disc herniations) and spinal stabilization exercises (the pics in the second posting) to strengthen your core muscles. Keep up with those and ask for more demanding ones once you have them dialed.

M-Funf - watersports are one of the few times that I would recommend doing isolation back extension exercise for my patients. Do be careful that you don't go back too far, as hyperextension (extending beyond neutral), does increase interdiscal pressure (bad). Besides, you are working your back from a moderately flexed (bent) position to more or less neutral most of the time that you are on the water, so train it in that range. And yes, begin slowly and increase incrementally as you get stronger.

BIGBADBLUE
06-26-2007, 01:56 PM
Found out on Friday that I serated my Rotator cuff ... whatever that means. I have started PT and the are working to strengthen all the muscles around the shoulder as well.

My PT guy said that core stregth is key in waterskiing. Lower back and abs ... he has put me on a routine as well. Just confirms all the other comments above.

M-Funf
06-26-2007, 02:00 PM
M-Funf - watersports are one of the few times that I would recommend doing isolation back extension exercise for my patients. Do be careful that you don't go back too far, as hyperextension (extending beyond neutral), does increase interdiscal pressure (bad). Besides, you are working your back from a moderately flexed (bent) position to more or less neutral most of the time that you are on the water, so train it in that range. And yes, begin slowly and increase incrementally as you get stronger.

That's pretty much what the trainer told me, as well as what my research found as well.
My lower back has been much better since starting on this routine.

Willski
06-26-2007, 03:03 PM
Lots of good stuff here. I do some other back exercises too.

Lying flat on floor (face down arms in front of you), raise same side arm and leg.

On hands and knees, raise opposite side arms and legs.

Then some stretches and ab strengthening. Don't have pictures, I've just got them memorized!

As I said before, knowing that my back is a weak point, I should be doing the exercises. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

trickskier
06-26-2007, 03:26 PM
Do you think if I do all of those exercises, I'll be able to do this again???

bcampbe7
06-26-2007, 03:27 PM
Do you think if I do all of those exercises, I'll be able to do this again???


Probably, but if you wear those shorts something else might get caught in the handle! :eek3: :D

trickskier
06-26-2007, 03:32 PM
Probably, but if you wear those shorts something else might get caught in the handle! :eek3: :D
Yeah.................My belly..............LOL

M-Funf
06-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Yeah.................My belly..............LOL

Trick, how old is that picture??? 8p

trickskier
06-26-2007, 04:04 PM
Trick, how old is that picture??? 8p
LOL................It was taken in 83 or 84 so 33 or 34 years ago............:D I was 26 or 27..................;)

M-Funf
06-26-2007, 04:06 PM
LOL................It was taken in 83 or 84 so 33 or 34 years ago............:D I was 26 or 27..................;)

Who was your math teacher? :uglyhamme

trickskier
06-26-2007, 04:08 PM
Who was your math teacher? :uglyhamme
LOL............Oh well, at least my age at the time was correct.............:D

Willski
06-26-2007, 04:20 PM
Cool pic. I was wondering about the math too though. One too many hard falls maybe?

trickskier
06-26-2007, 04:31 PM
Cool pic. I was wondering about the math too though. One too many hard falls maybe?
LONG DAY.........................8p I was only off 10 years...............:rolleyes:

tex
06-26-2007, 04:33 PM
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Kingu-Those pics offend me. That man is topless!

Upper Michigan Prostar190
06-26-2007, 04:47 PM
Kingu-Those pics offend me. That man is topless!
:uglyhamme :uglyhamme You tell em Tex!! :uglyhamme :uglyhamme

kingu
06-26-2007, 07:57 PM
Kingu-Those pics offend me. That man is topless!

Lord knows I don't want to offend anyone. Is this better?

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:D

tex
06-26-2007, 08:25 PM
Too late, the damage is done!

kingu
06-26-2007, 08:28 PM
Too late, the damage is done!

Scarred for life like the Rutgers University women's basketball team? :(

trickskier
06-26-2007, 08:30 PM
Kingu-Those pics offend me. That man is topless!
OH, MY EYES..........MY EYES.........MY EYES!!! 8p

Slinkyredfoot
06-26-2007, 08:44 PM
None recently!
I learned to ski in 1958 on the Catawba River on a pair of ashe skies my mother got with S & H Green stamps for my birthday. I still have one of the pair. That was nearly 50 years ago, Wow! Today, I could care less if I ski, I would rather drive trick or slalom and enjoy the scenery!

S & H Green stamps huh? How many books did your mom have to redeem to get those high tech skis in '58? I remeber those stamps plus "Top Value" stamps, they were yellow in color To cool Harold..

I still have the original combo set we all learned to ski on in the early. 60s, plus the two toned trick skis that I learned to trick on. I still love to ski and barefoot though, gives me an excuse to go to massage joint 2 days after for relief...seems like I always hurt the worst two days after the insanity. It is still a very good hurt...:cool:

Willski
06-26-2007, 09:21 PM
I don't mind the good hurt. It's the bad hurt that bothers me. Call me a sadist, but I love the early season muscle soreness.

WTRSK1R
06-26-2007, 10:07 PM
I used to have alot of back issues, but fortunately, since I started doing regular spin classes, and bicycling outside I really think my core strength has improved tremendously. I was diagnosed years ago with a partially herniated L5-S1 disc, and at times could barely sit up. Done the PT thing, lots of stretching, and what finally helped the most was frequent chiropractor visits. For a while, I was going about 1 time per month, just for a re-alignment. Probably still should, but only go a couple of times a year when I start to feel really stiff. Riding a bike has toned my abs, and from riding standing up in spin class taken some of the excess bagage off the back end which I am sure helps too. In any case, I have been spinning 2-3 times per week for about 2.5 years, and have had vertually zero back issues since. I can not say I have medical evidence, but I did a really nasty out the front slaloming a little over a week ago, and the only thing I hurt was my ankle when I pulled out of the back binding.

Steve

Bruce
06-27-2007, 05:04 PM
Hey! :rant: I believe I'm the old man around here!:D
You are just a baby! I'm 74 and started skiing in 1948. Probably will hang it up this year. My mind is writing checks my body can't cash!

TX.X-30 fan
06-27-2007, 05:13 PM
[QUOTE=WTRSK1R]I used to have alot of back issues, but fortunately, since I started doing regular spin classes, and bicycling outside

Exercise dumb arse here what is spin class, not old lp records while playing twister. :confused: :D

Seriously whats spin class, and are there usually hott chicks there. :rolleyes:

chudson
06-27-2007, 05:22 PM
You are just a baby! I'm 74 and started skiing in 1948. Probably will hang it up this year. My mind is writing checks my body can't cash!

Bruce never say never, just remember one thing. "Banana George":banana:

tex
06-27-2007, 05:23 PM
[QUOTE=WTRSK1R]I used to have alot of back issues, but fortunately, since I started doing regular spin classes, and bicycling outside

Exercise dumb arse here what is spin class, not old lp records while playing twister. :confused: :D

Seriously whats spin class, and are there usually hott chicks there. :rolleyes:
Riding a stationary bike til you puke and yes their are hot chicks!

Willski
07-06-2007, 12:10 PM
Just an update. I free skied last Sunday, and then hit the course on the the 4th. Much better now. A few days of muscle relaxers got my knots out and I'm back on track. Now I need to improve the core strength to make sure I don't have a re-occurence.

mccobmd
07-06-2007, 12:15 PM
If you want the most bang for your buck start stretching your hamstrings twice a day, will take a total of about 10 minutes but with decrease the episodes of back pain 50-75%.

Willski
07-06-2007, 12:38 PM
That is interesting to hear, because I am also a firm believer that hamstring flexibility reduces the stress on your lower back. And a friend here at work who is a personal trainer said just today that he was reading the same thing.

Bruce
07-06-2007, 05:32 PM
My PT says my tight hamstrings/heel cords are the major cause of my lower back pain. When my lower worn out disc act up stretching is where we start. The problem is hammies are big and it takes a long time to get them stretched out. One thing that really helps is walking. Old age ain't for sissies!

Willski
07-06-2007, 05:57 PM
Problem is I'm really not that old yet!!

COboarder
07-06-2007, 08:45 PM
Great input on the hamstring flexibility. One of the dangers of dispensing medical (or any other) information in a format such as this is you may not get ALL of the information available.

Yes, there is evidence that those individuals with poor hamstring flexibility are at risk for low back pain, here is one example (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=9122766&ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVDocSum ).

Other risk factors (in no particular order) include poor trunk strength, lateral trunk immobility, limited hip flexor mobility, smoking, psychological distress....

Health is multifaceted, it pays to have a trained individual evaluate where your strengths and weakness are and provide you with recommendations. Do you have washboard abs, but you can't reach down to touch your knees? Or are you one of those Gumpy type of people that can fold themselves in half, but can't do five situps. Different people have different needs. This is even more important if you have a previous injury.

How about me? I am going to work on improving my flexibility (hamstrings and trunk rotation for grabs and wakeboarding switch stance) and reduce my psychological distress...while on my boat of course!

clevan
07-06-2007, 09:34 PM
Best thing I ever did was use a personal trainer about five years ago. Starting lifting weights at 45 and am in better shape than the 30 year olds I ski with. Now if I just could see the computer screen...

You know you're getting old when it takes you all night to do what you used to could do all night.

trickskier
07-08-2007, 06:30 AM
Problem is I'm really not that old yet!!
Trust me on this one..................It's all in your mind..................;)