Not barefoot approved? [Archive]

jjsosnowski

01-28-2005, 11:03 PM

Why doen't mastercraft have a barefoot approved tow boat? Yet they sponsor the best barefooter in the world Kieth St. Onge. Are there any other footers out there that have this issue.I have skied with Kieth and have just bought A 190 custom one of a kind from,country western singer Alan Jackson with LQ9. Trying to get barefoot plate like Kieth has on his boat but mastercraft keeps saying its comming. I usually buy a new boat every year, but my next one may be more set up to foot. If there are any hard core footers out there with any better answers could you please help out a fellow owner.

ski_king

01-29-2005, 01:30 AM

I am suprissed to hear this. I thought the 190/197 (http://www.barefootcentral.com/Boat_Review/boatpics_Mastercraft197.htm) was approved when it has the LQ9 and the plate added.

And welcome!
We had a discussion (http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=430&highlight=Alan+Jackson%27s+Boat) about your boat a few months ago when it was listed on Boat Trader. (http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/6/67589846.htm) Very Nice!

I bet you are tired of hearing "just an old plywood boat, 75 Johnson, electric choke" when you mention who the previous owner was.
Do you have any pictures?

BriEOD

01-29-2005, 08:07 AM

I saw that boat in boat trader online. Very nice. Welcome aboard. Do you ski way down yonder on the Chattahootchee?? Sorry, couldn't help myself. :D

jjsosnowski

01-29-2005, 08:27 AM

Don't have any pix's at the moment. Boat is at the local dealer getting a hood scoop put on. I'll submit some pictures once it's finished!

jjsosnowski

01-29-2005, 08:53 AM

The only barefoot boats approved for 2003-2004 are as follows: Malibu Response LX Barefooter, Malibu Response LXi(w/plate), Sanger DXII Barefooter and the Ski Pro Extreme. Thanks for your interest!

ski_king

01-29-2005, 09:04 AM

Jason, do you know what is the top end speed of your boat with the LQ9?
I see in WaterSki boat tests the top end with the MCX is about 43. Maybe that is why the MC isnt rated for barefoot. If I remember there is a min speed requirment in the low 40's with a crew and skier.

The hul of the 190/197 sacrifices top end speed for wake. (larger wetted surface)

André

01-29-2005, 09:09 AM

Be a man and get into slalom!!!
Ok,Ok Just kiddin...

jjsosnowski

01-29-2005, 09:44 AM

We used a 2003 197 with an MCX for a barefoot tournament race this past fall. We had four skiers and a driver and ran in the mid 40's. There seemed to be plenty of speed but I would hate to back wake slalom at tournament's with it, it could be brutal!
P.S. We did change the prop

rodltg2

01-29-2005, 01:20 PM

what does the barefoot plate do?

jjsosnowski

01-29-2005, 02:08 PM

The barefoot plate flattens the wake table. There are pictures of the prototype on the World Champ's, Keith StOnge's, 197. These pics can be viewed at barefootcentral.com. They will be listed under barefoot boat reviews, just click on Mastercraft. It's pretty informative. It's an unbelievable difference with the plate as you will be able to see from the pictures. Thanks for the interest.

jjsosnowski

01-29-2005, 02:12 PM

Anybody can ride on a stick at 30+ mph, try it backwards, on one foot at 40+! Who's the man now!! (Ha,Ha) Thanks for the reply!

André

01-29-2005, 04:46 PM

Seriously, i have the deepest respect for anybody that barefoot.
Tried it once with a coach and great set up,boom ,J-Craft with a 225 outboard.Did 8 starts,all i remember is sky,water,sky water,sky ,water,acking muscles...and the blue colour of my *** for the next couples of days...

areamike

03-17-2006, 09:29 PM

I think MC is pretty close to having a "certified" barefoot boat...

Keith seems to be working pretty closly with them, but there from what I have read, there are still problems with the wake. It may involve in a completely new hull design which is why there hasn't been an approved MC Barefoot boat yet.

erkoehler

03-17-2006, 09:48 PM

One of my buddies saw Keith out teaching a barefoot class and he was using an X1. When he asked his instructor what was the reasoning, it was stated that Keith is sponsored by MC and that is what MC gave him......

I don't know, there has to be something better than an X1??

atlfootr

03-17-2006, 11:07 PM

HOTT DAMN :firejump: Post #500

What a great subject matter to answer the question raised by jjsosnowski,
"Why doesn't MasterCraft have a barefoot approved tow boat?"

Answer is, "they did"! That was until they went ahead and screwed it up.
What you need to be asking instead, is this ....

"Why is it, when you have a "great thing" ppl go and change things"? :rant:
Can't some of you, just leave well enough alone.

What I'm talking about was MC's previous "Certifiably"TOPLINED BFTournament boat -
THE BEST BFT BOAT EVER MADE.
The BF200

This post could easily be at least 4pgs by the time I'm finished, but if I want ppl to read this - I know to keep it short.

In general, no one @ MC will ever admitt they goofed in the Barefoot Wold when they took the mold for the BF200 off the production line.
In my opinon, that was their biggest mistake. For anyone who's ever had an opportunity to ither recreational or 3 event BF behind one will agree, this is the sweetest wake on the water.

I should know, I own one and I've done both.

Bottom line - there's NO COMPARISON between this and an Inboard.
I WOULD NEVER TRADE, SELL or DONATE MY BF200!
I WILL BE BURIED IN IT. I :love: my 200, and if you see me on the waters stop me and after 1 pull -- you'll :love: it too.

atlfootr

03-17-2006, 11:29 PM

Atlfootr's baby ....

gene dobies

03-18-2006, 06:11 AM

MY 2005 190 with the LQ9 does 49 mph. I custom ordered it and went to see it being built.

atlfootr

03-18-2006, 06:54 AM

MY 2005 190 with the LQ9 does 49 mph. I custom ordered it and went to see it being built.Got'cha ya beat there brother, trimmed out the BF200 above runs 60 mph plus. :eek3:
But, I didn't get to see it being built. Wish I had, so I guess we're even.

X-45

03-18-2006, 07:22 AM

Maby with the new fishing boat, CSX this would be a good time for mastercraft to bring back the BF-200 hull with outboard. I'm not a footer but have friends that say outboards make a nice wake for footing.

:twocents:

erkoehler

03-18-2006, 07:32 AM

Atlfootr, so, your even going to repower that boat for close to 20K????

atlfootr

03-18-2006, 07:41 AM

Atlfootr, so, your even going to repower that boat for close to 20K????Repwr?
No need, it already does that ...
I didn't want to :firejump: holes in your arches yesterday :cool:

Ric

03-18-2006, 08:13 AM

Atlfootr's baby ....
Dam sonnnnn that is nice!

Ric

03-18-2006, 08:19 AM

I still get a chuckle when I remember rodltq asking "hey jjblowsmoki, why would you need a 500hp inboard?" I dont know what thread it was in but that was funny and I know funny.

ski_king

03-18-2006, 08:19 AM

I have footed behind the BF200 and Flightcraft and love them both. Too bad the price of a 200 HP outboard is $10,000 plus. I believe this is what killed both boats.
But then again I bet the cost of a LQ-9 is about the same.

Leroy

03-18-2006, 08:43 AM

6ballsisall

03-18-2006, 08:46 AM

I think the number of people barefooting is the reason MC doesn't have a dedicated barefoot boat. With that said, it is a shame they do not. Look at the BF200, a great boat but only a barefooter would love to own.

I'd say Leroy picked the correct assumption. THats a small marketshare for MC to tie up that much R&D and marketing for. I'd think with such a marketshare the only way it'd fly is with a very hefty price point (read: more expensive than a loaded 197) and I doubt many consumers are willing to pay that for a dedicated barefoot boat (55k+)

Laurel_Lake_Skier

03-18-2006, 09:24 AM

Yep that is the answer. The price of the outboard is quite a bit higher than an inboard and there are just not that many skiers that would be getting in line to buy one. Malibu's Flightcraft was mentioned and from what I understand you can still special order one of those but the price tag of a custom built is way up there.

As Erk mentioned cost of repair and engine life is also a factor. You can replace a couple inboard engines for the price of a new outboard and the life expectancy of the outboard is typically not as long.

I did talk to Keith about the lack of an MC barefoot boat at last year's Footstock and he said something would be coming out in the future. We'll just have to wait and see.......

Footin

03-18-2006, 04:18 PM

When I had my BF200 I priced a new Yamaha 200 for the heck of it and IIRC it was about 15,000.

erkoehler

03-18-2006, 04:26 PM

I'd say Leroy picked the correct assumption. THats a small marketshare for MC to tie up that much R&D and marketing for. I'd think with such a marketshare the only way it'd fly is with a very hefty price point (read: more expensive than a loaded 197) and I doubt many consumers are willing to pay that for a dedicated barefoot boat (55k+)

They definetly wouldn't need and research and development, bring back the 1996 BF200 and put a new engine on it.

Don't change anything....it would still be the best barefoot boat around.

atlfootr

03-18-2006, 04:55 PM

They definetly wouldn't need and research and development, bring back the '96 BF200 and put a new engine on it. Don't change anything....it would still be the best barefoot boat around.Give this man a boat ... a BF200 that is.
He's ahellva salesman and shows great taste :friday:

PendO

03-18-2006, 05:22 PM

Can't ya'll just go buy a real fast bass boat?

erkoehler

03-18-2006, 05:24 PM

Can't ya'll just go buy a real fast bass boat?

Whose the one that put firewood in a MasterCraft???? :mad:

PendO

03-18-2006, 05:29 PM

Whose the one that put firewood in a MasterCraft???? :mad:

I dunno, but if they can build a boat with a bike rack it is too bad they can't just re-use the mold from the BF boat you guys like

erkoehler

03-18-2006, 05:31 PM

I dunno, but if they can build a boat with a bike rack it is too bad they can't just re-use the mold from the BF boat you guys like

That mold has to be laying around somewhere......I think it would see better than this fishing boat that they are coming out with.

erkoehler

03-18-2006, 05:33 PM

http://www.bayareawatersports.com/inventory_detail.asp?formname=new&from=search&currdiid=408962&tab=&site_type=template&navigate=true&searchtype=AN&isIFRAME=false&reqStyle=&Site_cid=&Lead_source=#

Not too bad.....might work out well!

Britt

03-22-2006, 07:42 PM

Everyone gets scared off thinking they need to drop 15k+ on a new outboard. In reality youj can get a rebuilt power head that is as good as new for anywhere from 1500 to 2500. Cheaper than buying a small block gm or ford!

PendO

03-22-2006, 08:11 PM

Laurel_Lake_Skier

03-22-2006, 08:24 PM

Can we see a pic of her after the tumble up? :D

RobertT

03-22-2006, 08:39 PM

My neighbor and actually my boat dealer salesman (and buddy) are on a barefoot endurance team. I had a few (actually about 20) beers with Keith St Onge last year, along with his team. Very cool guy.

Anyway, from my VERY limited knowledge, MC boats just cant cut it in a barefooting race. Either can a Malibu or any other inboard. Those guys need to ski at times at close to 60mph (actually 58 is the max that I have been told). The truly competitive teams seem to all use the same boat... a ski extreme. Top speed and the ability to trim the boat for the perfect table seem to be the reason why.

My X7/197 is just not fast enough. 45mph is too slow. 50 is too slow. At least for the endurance barefoot racers.

My neighbors Malibu is 3mph faster than mine....but thats still not good enough.

For what its worth, if I were MC I would not bother building a dedicated competitive barefoot boat either. Just not enough market to bother, and Ski Extreme will still build you a boat if you want it.

http://www.skiproboats.com/

erkoehler

03-22-2006, 09:15 PM

The barefoot 200 will do 60+ with the right prop and engine combo:)

Britt

03-22-2006, 09:19 PM

Thats right the BF200 should go 65 mph with the standard three blade offered. The five blade that came with the comp package which was a Merc high five 19 pitch ran those boats into the mid 50's. Through what I have heard. My PS200 went 45 with the 5 blade and close to approx 50 with the 3 blade. Different hull though from the BF200.

PendO

03-22-2006, 09:46 PM

Erk .... here is a BF 200 1991

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/0/4/56440804.htm

1992

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/0/9/81181009.htm

1993

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/82593550.htm

erkoehler

03-22-2006, 09:51 PM

That 91 has been for sale for atleast 1 year.

P.S. the links for the 91 and 92 are the same boat :D

PendO

03-22-2006, 09:54 PM

That 91 has been for sale for atleast 1 year.

P.S. the links for the 91 and 92 are the same boat :D

fixed the link, here is the 92 (http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/0/9/81181009.htm)

PendO

03-22-2006, 09:57 PM

here is the 93 (http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/82593550.htm)

The ads for the 92 and 93 were placed today March 22nd, 2006

erkoehler

03-22-2006, 10:01 PM

I think that 92 may be sold.......not sure though.....

Britt

03-22-2006, 10:04 PM

umm did anyone notice my avatar?

PendO

03-22-2006, 10:05 PM

I think that 92 may be sold.......not sure though.....

guess you need to get the 93' then;)

erkoehler

03-22-2006, 10:05 PM

here is the 93 (http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/82593550.htm)

The ads for the 92 and 93 were placed today March 22nd, 2006

Sorry, both of those boats have been listed since fall :(

PendO

03-22-2006, 10:09 PM

Sorry, both of those boats have been listed since fall :(

then they were re-upped today, if you go to boattrader.com and search mastercraft barefoot 200 it said they were listed today ... erk, why don't you get one of those?

erkoehler

03-22-2006, 10:16 PM

then they were re-upped today, if you go to boattrader.com and search mastercraft barefoot 200 it said they were listed today ... erk, why don't you get one of those?

Thinkin about it....

fletch_n_me

03-22-2006, 11:33 PM

Hey, I have a strange problem of now being at 9,000 feet above sea level. Because of this, on my 92 PS205, I have been told to expect 34-36 mph. I am shopping for a BF200 at the time being but can't help but feeling like a sinner for walking away from the inboards. Good luck.

erkoehler

03-22-2006, 11:35 PM

If the boat were fuel injected, would you still have those same issues?

fletch_n_me

03-22-2006, 11:41 PM

Yeah, because we have 20% of normal oxygen up here. I can get a better pitch prop and carb adjustments/rejetting but you will still not get fast enough (for me at 230 lbs) to step off. I am keeping the 205, mind you, but would be crying in the tub like a rejected prom date if I bought an outboard that wasn't an MC.

PendO

03-22-2006, 11:42 PM

If the boat were fuel injected, would you still have those same issues?

but golfing at altitude makes every one feel like tiger woods off the tee::!

erkoehler

03-22-2006, 11:43 PM

Two MC's, GO FOR IT!!!!!!

If you need any leads on BF200's, I have been researching them for awhile now.

What years were you thinking? What is the budget? How soon do you want to buy?

fletch_n_me

03-23-2006, 12:17 AM

Yeah, golfing in Winter Park is amazing...everyone can swing like a pro. However, for those of us who love to hear that glug of an inboard, it pretty much sucks. I have a friend in Wisco that is selling his 91 for 8K but that is a friend price as long as his brother doesn't want it. If you find anything out west (CO, UT, NE, WY, KS) then please let me know.

erkoehler

03-23-2006, 12:19 AM

A 91 for 8k is a pretty good deal! Makes me question the condition of the interior, trailer, or engine....maybe ALL!

But, coming from a friend should help put that to ease!

Sorry, I haven't seen any out west:( Mostly Wisconsin, and Ohio.

fletch_n_me

03-23-2006, 12:21 AM

PS, it would technically be 3 because I have a small MC jump boat that I refinished...then all hell broke loose and it is sitting in a barn with a broken transom. Best 5K I ever spent though. Let's just say, it was metal-flaked red and white...then stolen and dropped off of the roof of a car, then recovered by the police and dragged out with a tractor and the fitted (and this is my fault) with an engine with too long of a shaft and cracked the transom. Tears in his eyes, I guess..cinderella story...kid out of nowhere.