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shepherd
04-24-2007, 09:31 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on buying a ski school boat? For example, a 1 year old PS197 with about 1000 hours on it that was used at a ski school? Suppose it sells for around $10k less than other 1 year old 197's on the market (but with much less time of course).

Good buy or no?

Jerseydave
04-24-2007, 09:34 PM
Sounds like a good deal if YOU are keeping it for years. Forget about decent resale value after you're done with it though.

Check the compression first and do a leak-down test. Maybe even have it surveyed. Don't forget the trans. will also have 1000 hours on it....they're not cheap to replace either!

shepherd
04-24-2007, 09:41 PM
...not that I know of one, just thinking... :rolleyes:

Monte
04-24-2007, 10:04 PM
It's kind of like buying a one year old off lease vehicle with 100k on it. Probably looks good and if taken care of will last you a long time.

My honest opinion with those kind of hours and for that kind of $$ I'd have to keep the '90 and continue the refurb....

BrianM
04-24-2007, 10:29 PM
1000 hours is a lot. I would rather a camp boat that only has 300-400 on it. Good deals can be found there. Check this thread for what I am talking about.
http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=15753&highlight=good+deal

shepherd
04-24-2007, 11:22 PM
Thanks Brian, sorry I missed that thread. Those camp boats look like good deals. Since I've been looking during the past week, I'm beginning to realize there are some deals out there, like you said...

PendO
04-24-2007, 11:56 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on buying a ski school boat? For example, a 1 year old PS197 with about 1000 hours on it that was used at a ski school? Suppose it sells for around $10k less than other 1 year old 197's on the market (but with much less time of course).

Good buy or no?

I'd buy it for 1/2 price ... no more ... it will be 20 years before my 197 sees 1000 hours ... and that's only if I leave it running at night on the weekends I stay at the water

shepherd
04-25-2007, 12:02 AM
Well I don't know about the real hours, but I'm guessing these boats get used hard and steadily for a year before they are tossed out in favor of the new model years.

erkoehler
04-25-2007, 12:04 AM
Buy new....it is the only way :)

6ballsisall
04-25-2007, 12:05 AM
Wouldn't touch a ski school boat without a 6 year warranty, and 1/2 price of a used one.

Even then, I would do everything possible to avoid it.

Coming from the master boat slinger I think that says alot. Erk are you not wearing the plaid suit today?
:D

erkoehler
04-25-2007, 12:07 AM
Plaid suit, me, NEVER!

88 PS190
04-25-2007, 12:10 AM
Depends on the school.

Ski school boats out of Bennetts are used fairly lightly, sold prior to 300 hours, and they keep enough boats at once for their school that they're not running them into the ground.

Additionally they pull all the extra seats, and don't put students in the boat, they pull from the dock.

Some schools cram 4 people and their gear, stand on the seats etc. etc.

Those would be a no no.

6ballsisall
04-25-2007, 12:12 AM
Rode hard and put away wet should be a good statement here....

shepherd
04-25-2007, 12:13 AM
Buy new....it is the only way :)

True, for a millionaire. :cool:

6ballsisall
04-25-2007, 12:15 AM
True, for a millionaire. :cool:

Agreed.....some would say I have done ok buying "used" boats.......

erkoehler
04-25-2007, 12:19 AM
Agreed.....some would say I have done ok buying "used" boats.......


I'd agee w/ that statement :)

shepherd
04-25-2007, 12:20 AM
Well, if I could get a boatload of frozen chicken to go with the new boat it just might be worth it.

erkoehler
04-25-2007, 12:23 AM
One of our customers just dropped off his 35th S&S tonight for summerization, reminded me how sweet of a boat those truly are.

29 out of 35 has a mini tower, bimini, and wakeboard racks.

PendO
04-25-2007, 12:23 AM
erk, why don't you sell jr my 06 and I will order an 08 from you?

erkoehler
04-25-2007, 12:25 AM
Now we're talking :)

6ballsisall
04-25-2007, 12:26 AM
erk, why don't you sell jr my 06 and I will order an 08 from you?

I wish dude.......that boat is gorgeous......it's my favorite color combo.
Gulp......it hurts to say this but I am pretty certain I'll be boatless this year.
We got the house under contract, I am taking it in the shorts majorly....couple that with expecting a little girl in July I question how much we'll get out.
Me thinks I'll be buying lots of gas in Lakeys boat this year.

PendO
04-25-2007, 12:32 AM
I wish dude.......that boat is gorgeous......it's my favorite color combo.
Gulp......it hurts to say this but I am pretty certain I'll be boatless this year.
We got the house under contract, I am taking it in the shorts majorly....couple that with expecting a little girl in July I question how much we'll get out.
Me thinks I'll be buying lots of gas in Lakeys boat this year.

Well, congrats on the upcoming little girl!!!

6ballsisall
04-25-2007, 12:33 AM
Well, congrats on the upcoming little girl!!!

Thanks! I am stoked for sure! When is your wife due?

PendO
04-25-2007, 12:40 AM
Thanks! I am stoked for sure! When is your wife due?

mid june ... Sonja (named after sonja henie) will join Nadia and Peyton ...

6ballsisall
04-25-2007, 12:47 AM
mid june ... Sonja (named after sonja henie) will join Nadia and Peyton ...

Congrats! Great name! Ours will be McKenna Leigh

PendO
04-25-2007, 12:56 AM
Congrats! Great name! Ours will be McKenna Leigh

Man, I like that, 2nd girl or will this be 1 of each?

6ballsisall
04-25-2007, 12:57 AM
Man, I like that, 2nd girl or will this be 1 of each?

2nd girl I am done after this

Doug G
04-25-2007, 01:03 AM
2nd girl I am done after this

Yes but does the Mrs agree ? And congrats to both of you.

TMCNo1
04-25-2007, 06:23 AM
Kinda like a rental car, someone has probably thrown up in the drivers seat!

Ric
04-25-2007, 08:01 AM
Shep is that a bennet's boat?

I hear they take good care of them and I talked to them when I was shopping. You basically put money on the boat before the season starts and then close the deal in the fall with around a thousand hours on the boat.

I didn't do it, it was not a "good" enough deal to make me want to take the 1k hours. Let us know !

Jr, Congrats on the little girl on the way!

6ballsisall
04-26-2007, 12:03 AM
Yes but does the Mrs agree ? And congrats to both of you.

Thank you. Oh yes she agrees fully. :cool: I just worry about the snip snip :(

PendO
04-26-2007, 12:24 AM
Thank you. Oh yes she agrees fully. :cool: I just worry about the snip snip :(

see, I was all for that until I read some posts by BigMac ... no way am I getting snipped, when my wife is done she can have the tubal ligation as it sounds like there are a lot fewer potential complications ...

shepherd
04-26-2007, 12:48 AM
Man, serious threadjacking going on here!
Oh well. Congratulations on the new (or upcoming) critters gentlemen :toast:
And thanks for the info you sent me PendO. I may put it to good use.

h2oskiluvr
04-26-2007, 01:04 AM
I have been to a number of ski schools over the year and those boats were rode hard. I would not recommend anyone buy a boat from a school.

BrianM
04-26-2007, 09:39 AM
Shep is that a bennet's boat?

I hear they take good care of them and I talked to them when I was shopping. You basically put money on the boat before the season starts and then close the deal in the fall with around a thousand hours on the boat.

I didn't do it, it was not a "good" enough deal to make me want to take the 1k hours. Let us know !

Jr, Congrats on the little girl on the way!

All of the ski school boats I have seen out of Bennetts only have in therange of 300-400 hours. Here are two that they have now http://www.skibennetts.com/images/closeoutboats.pdf

erkoehler
04-26-2007, 09:48 AM
Shep, if your interested I have a used 2006 197 fully loaded. Every option except the tower. MSRP was 60k new. All white w/ a small pro tour red accent stripe.

Erickoehler8@hotmail.com if your interested.......gaurantee the best price around on this one!

Datdude
04-26-2007, 12:15 PM
The prices on those Bennett's boats do not seem that good to me:confused: . I have seen 2006 PS 197's in the #36K range with 100 hours on them. I would also guess that in those 100 hours some may be just cruising. I would have to assume that all of the ski school hours are at ski speed. I am not sure if that really makes a difference....just a thought.

Maristar210
04-26-2007, 12:17 PM
Shep, if your interested I have a used 2006 197 fully loaded. Every option except the tower. MSRP was 60k new. All white w/ a small pro tour red accent stripe.

Erickoehler8@hotmail.com if your interested.......gaurantee the best price around on this one!


Like a lawyer chasing an abulance in comes Eric :D

Sup Eric?

****ty weather your way?

Ric
04-26-2007, 01:47 PM
All of the ski school boats I have seen out of Bennetts only have in therange of 300-400 hours. Here are two that they have now http://www.skibennetts.com/images/closeoutboats.pdf I think you are right brian, I think they did tell me 3-400hrs and you basically picked your boat and options before ski season and then came to pick it up at an agreed price after the season
not a bad situation if you don't mind the use... the advantage to those hours would be that the kinks of the new boat are most likely all ironed out by the time you pick it up after the season

MSOUCY-TT
04-26-2007, 01:58 PM
For 10 000$ less? tell me where to find it, I'll buy it! Whoever said you loose on resale value forgot you're paying 10 000$ less already. The engine is good forever, the rest of the boat is only a year old. Unless you look at the boat and see the seats are in sad shape or the bottom of the boat is wrecked, then that may give you an idea of how the boat was taken care of. Also try to find some kind of proof the oil changes were done.

erkoehler
04-26-2007, 02:06 PM
Like a lawyer chasing an abulance in comes Eric :D

Sup Eric?

****ty weather your way?


Weather is horrible....it is not helping business!

Sodar
04-26-2007, 02:07 PM
Weather is horrible....it is not helping business!

Hey Eric!

What is the forecast for the weekend?

erkoehler
04-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Weekend is looking good.....mid 60's and sunny for Saturday. 70's on Sunday.

PendO
04-26-2007, 10:33 PM
For 10 000$ less? tell me where to find it, I'll buy it! Whoever said you loose on resale value forgot you're paying 10 000$ less already. The engine is good forever, the rest of the boat is only a year old. Unless you look at the boat and see the seats are in sad shape or the bottom of the boat is wrecked, then that may give you an idea of how the boat was taken care of. Also try to find some kind of proof the oil changes were done.

I'll sell you mine for $10,000 usd. under MSRP, heck, I will drive it to your shop ... man, that would be better than the cash rewards program:)

georgea0731
04-27-2007, 09:25 PM
We got a used 04 X7 from Bennett's with 300 hours in Jun 04. The only regret was the condition of the carpet. It's pretty flat looking. The rear seat had small cracks by the seams, but so has numerous other 03/04 boats. Shop around, usually a few Promo boats out there with 75 hours and save thousands too. I figured the money I saved I could have the engine rebuilt and still be ahead. Good luck