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74stars
04-10-2007, 06:09 PM
Hey guys- it's been a while since I last posted on this. Last 4th of July weekend I hit something and SHREDDED the hull on the observers side of my 1974 S&S (see my post "my summer is over" for details on the damage) I now have somewhere around 80-90 hours in to the repairs and I thought I would drop in some of the pics. I will try and give a detailed accout of the whole resto project later but for now will add a brief description with each pic. Enjoy these and remember it could be worse....

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:12 PM
more damage with strut removed

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:13 PM
rub rail coming off

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:14 PM
interior with gauges removed

ProTour X9
04-10-2007, 06:15 PM
YIKES!!! :eek: :eek3:

1974? Thats vintage:cool:

Can't wait to see some pics:popcorn:

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:16 PM
rub rail off and starting to drill the rivets to seperate the upper and lower hull

ProTour X9
04-10-2007, 06:17 PM
When that gets done its going to be awesome!!!

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:18 PM
dirty bilge

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:19 PM
rear end stripped

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:20 PM
more of the same

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:21 PM
starting to clean the bilge out

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:23 PM
drug it outside to wash it out

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:24 PM
bilge is looking better

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:25 PM
starting to pull the top half

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:27 PM
off with it's head! just kidding.

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:28 PM
with the top removed

Mag_Red
04-10-2007, 06:30 PM
:eek3: Wow! You have some stones there! I'm sure it's going to be awesome when you get it finished. Kind of nice to have a spray booth in your back yard:headbang:

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:33 PM
figuring how to flip it over

BrianM
04-10-2007, 06:33 PM
Very nice. Talk about a total rebuild.

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:37 PM
built a fixture and attached it to the hull through the rear lift ring holes then used a stainless eyehook in the center of the fixture to rotate it when suspended from an overhead hoist- used the bow eye and heavy rope attached to my engine hoist on the front. took four of us to carefull turn it over and sit it on a roller fixture we built.

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:38 PM
starting to cut out the damaged balsa core- then used an air chisel to remove the damaged portion

74stars
04-10-2007, 06:41 PM
here all of the damaged core has been ground out and I am ready to start piecing in the new balsa- this is the last pic I have at this point- need to download a bunch more from the camera. I will check back in and post some more as we go.

dichdoc
04-10-2007, 06:53 PM
Once again my restoration has been put to shame!!! Are you going to buff it? Don't forget to polish the teak! LOL nice work. TB

Slinkyredfoot
04-10-2007, 06:57 PM
Boy oh boy what a job you have got going here 74 Stars. It just makes me smile to see someone with such a vintage cool boat like yours, totally restoring it to new condition. A ton of work I know, but when it is all said and done you will truly have a classic that will definitely turn heads...Keep us posted with all the pictures you can take. I can't wait to see the progress.

M-Funf
04-10-2007, 07:20 PM
built a fixture and attached it to the hull through the rear lift ring holes then used a stainless eyehook in the center of the fixture to rotate it when suspended from an overhead hoist- used the bow eye and heavy rope attached to my engine hoist on the front. took four of us to carefull turn it over and sit it on a roller fixture we built.

I know what you're talking about there...

For my flip project, I built a simple wood fixture and used straps over pulleys. First, I fitted a fixture to the boat after the topside was removed, then I lifted the boat off the trailer, rolled it over (took two of us) and set it back down on a flatbed so I could transport it...VERY nerve racking process...:o

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/pb5425648fe4e6d6e87f1ed38ec3db9f2/e9f7d1db.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p2743824b628fb72e15e9e125944ceb74/e9f7d1d4.jpg

MasterCrafting
04-10-2007, 08:30 PM
WOW...you have some ballz taking that thing alllllll the way apart. At this point you might as well have found the old molds and started from scratch.

pram
04-10-2007, 10:09 PM
That is fantastic that you are fixing it. I remember reading and seeing the pictures last year and thinking that it was done for and headed to Davy Jones's Locker. Glad to see that you have the stones to undertake a project like that.

It will be sweet completely restored. Keep on it and nice job.

Monte
04-10-2007, 10:16 PM
cutting the damaged balsa core out

And I thought I had a project... Good luck... You have large kahunas.......:cool:

Hrkdrivr
04-10-2007, 11:03 PM
Holy cow. Big, big ones! I gotta say, I'm lusting after the garage too! :)

74stars
04-16-2007, 06:18 PM
Update- After A Long Couple Of Days, All Of The Balsa Core Is In, And I Now Have 4 Layers Of Chopped Strand Mat Glassed In- (used 4 Gallons Of Resin So Far) Looks Like It Needs Another Two Layers To Bring It Up Higher Than The Exsisting Hull. Next Step Is To Grind It In To Shape And Then To Sand And Fill. After All Of The Glass Work Is Done We Will Be Ready To Spray The Whole Boat With Spectrum Gelcoat/ Dura Tech Mix And Then Spray The Stripes, And Then Put It All Back Together... Easy Right??? I Have Photos Up To Date But I Need My Best Half To Download Them From The Camera. When She Does I Will Post Them. Oh Yeah I Forgot To Mention In Order To Completley Drain The Finances And My Sanity, I Completley Stripped The Trailer Clean And Sent It To The Sandblaster Today, New Paint, Bunks, Lights And Fenders Are Waiting. What Have I Gotten My Self In To..... Seeya

JohnE
04-16-2007, 07:54 PM
Great project. Thanks for sharing and keep the pics coming.

DemolitionMan
04-16-2007, 10:45 PM
Flipping it back is the fun part it took four of us to do it. And when it went back over I rode it over it was a little scary. Good Luck.

74stars
04-17-2007, 12:39 PM
Came across another photo I forgot eariler- Its scary to think how little flotation is actualy in this thing- it is limited to the bow only. As the exhaust runs on the outside of the stringers there is zero foam under the floor (no way to seal it completely- in essence the bilge is not just limited to the space between the stringers but the whole bottom of the boat)

Monte
04-17-2007, 12:42 PM
Came across another photo I forgot eariler- Its scary to think how little flotation is actualy in this thing- it is limited to the bow only. As the exhaust runs on the outside of the stringers there is zero foam under the floor (no way to seal it completely- in essence the bilge is not just limited to the space between the stringers buth whole bottom of the boat)


Did I mention you have very large stones?????

74stars
04-17-2007, 12:55 PM
Ha, ha, ha- Either stones or stupidity- hard to tell which- seriously, thanks for all the kind words from everyone! You can also see what I mean about the empty space through the exhaust cut-outs in the floor

kjohnson
04-17-2007, 01:04 PM
I admire people that can take on a task like this and finish it! But where in the heck do you find time to do it?

74stars
04-17-2007, 01:19 PM
So far I have used up 2 weeks vacation and a whole bunch of weekends:)

River Rat
04-17-2007, 01:23 PM
WOW....HOLY SHET....WOW....WHAT A PROJECT...You will definitely win the most dedicated award! Glad to see you didn't send it to the scrap pile

shepherd
04-17-2007, 01:54 PM
Once again my restoration has been put to shame!!! Are you going to buff it? Don't forget to polish the teak! LOL nice work. TB

What he ^^^ said. Next time somebody compliments my refurbishment project, I'm going to say "thanks, but look what 74stars is doing". Great job so far 74! Can't wait to see the finished product.

cbryan70
04-17-2007, 02:00 PM
with the top being off of the hull wont the hull warp a bit? Just curious

74stars
04-17-2007, 03:09 PM
Nope, had the top on and off 3 or 4 times while moving the boat around before we filpped it. the hull is actually very ridgid.

DemolitionMan
04-17-2007, 11:42 PM
When I took the top off mine I had no problems getting it back on just sat it back on and poprivited back on.

cjb1
04-19-2007, 03:09 PM
pm atcha...

74stars
04-19-2007, 05:57 PM
reply sent ;)

River Rat
06-05-2007, 04:08 PM
any updates??? I hope every thing is going well!

74stars
06-05-2007, 06:20 PM
Hey Thanks for asking- yes much progress has been made- I believe I left off when I was ready to install the new balsa core material. I cut and fit all of the balsa to lay on to the exposed inner hull surface. This is neat stuff- it comes on a roll 48" wide and is made of blocks appox 1"X1"X3/8" bonded to a thin mesh backing- this allows it to contour to the original shape of the hull. I glued this down with poly resin. When dry I used an air file to clean up some of the high spots and then cut the glass strand mat to size (mutiple pieces and varing points of overlap). In all I laid down seven full layers of mat and resin to bring it back to the original thickness (appox 1/4") and to overlap the side and transom about 5/6 inches . I used a total of eight gallons of resin to get this done. I left it for a week to fully cure. In the manwhile I completley gutted the trailer including removing the old brake actuator and lines (that have not worked in forever-) then sent the trailer to the sandblaster. I picked up two new fenders and carpet for the bunks and bow stop. i replaced one of the bunk boards (the other was only a couple of years old) and ground a new bevel in to it to match the other side. I then carpeted the new bunks and bow stop- looks nice i must say- all new stainless hardware as well. I picked up a complete led light package while I was at it. I still need weld the new fenders on and get the paint laid down on the trailer, reassemble- etc. Now back to the boat- I started grinding with an 8" pad and 36 paper to get the new glass into shape. Then came hours up on hours of sanding with the air file and 36 paper- I am guessing somewhere around 15 hrs at this alone. When I was happy with how it was looking I then laid a skim coat of dura-glass (short chopped strand in a thick resin) to fill the low spots. I then started sanding the whole boat with 100 on the DA to remove all of the striping and letters (also to give the new gel a tooth). So this is where I am- the boat is still flipped over, most of the truly hard wirk is done- some more finish sanding with the 100 grit and will then be ready to shoot the gel. I bought Spectrum Color and Dura-tec for the gel. Odds and ends- new lift-off brackets for the yet to be built platform (from alloy marine)/ two new in the box white faced speedos from ebay, bunch a stuff from ski-dim, boaters world, and bass pro. Still need new rub rail insert and taco's molded trim for the inside edges, replacement lettering and stars from ebay.... the list goes on and on and on. Oh yeah- still need to get an est for the seats.... I don't want to know what I have spent on this so far but it shoud be worth it at least it is in my heart anyway. I will definatley find the camera and get the pics down loaded. (probably buried under piles of scrap glass)

JKTX21
06-05-2007, 06:34 PM
Awesome man. You have some resolve sticking to a huge project like that.

Slinkyredfoot
06-05-2007, 06:50 PM
Your putting your heart and soul into this massive undertaking, and this is great...can't wait to see some pictures. Definitely keep me posted on this huge project....

73SS
06-07-2007, 01:03 PM
Nice project for a nice boat. I haven't been on for quite a while and it was nice to see all the details of your boat. The build date on my boat is 12/72. It is interesting to see how things were changing in the early days. It is good to see that the pylon attachment on your boat is steel, my early boat it was aluminum. Eventually it failed and I rebuild it out of stainless. I did have some issues with the attaching bolts - bad holes and rusty bolts. You might check your part to make sure it is in good shape. Also interesting to see the trailer evolution - mine is much more primative in its construction. That carpeted plate in front that the bow sits on is a pain - doesn't allow the boat to sit on the bunks properly - that is my next fix on the boat. I noticed there is a hole in the dash area, is there a glove box there? My boat has that hole with just a plate riveted over it.

74stars
06-08-2007, 05:18 PM
Hey 73SS! Good to see another old school owner. Yeah, the hole is where the golvebox goes- not the best design as it will not open with the observer's seat installed. I have a nice piece of diamond plate that I am thinking of covering it with. Ditto on the the trailer bow stop- at a steep angle it is next to impossible to load as the bow eye gets caught under it.

O2BESOHUGE
06-08-2007, 10:17 PM
Hows Your Progress Coming So Far? What Have Y Ou Done To It Lately?

O2

74stars
06-18-2007, 12:58 PM
Updated / More Photos! Finally. As A Side Note These Pics Are Still Appox 3 Weeks Behind (lost The Camera) All Hull Repairs Are Now 99.9% Completed And Very Close To Spraing Gel. Yippie!

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:00 PM
Top Coming Off

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:05 PM
More Of The Top

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:07 PM
All The Flotation In The Bow

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:09 PM
Pulling The Trailer

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:11 PM
More Trailer

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:12 PM
Rear Attachment

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:13 PM
Front Attachment

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:15 PM
Built The Holding Fixture With Casters To Roll Around The Shop

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:21 PM
Shop Security, Good Boy!

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:23 PM
Rear Corner

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:24 PM
Ground Feather Edge In To Good Glass

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:25 PM
Checking Extent Of Damag To Core Material In Front

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:26 PM
All Damaged Core Has Been Removed

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:27 PM
From The Front

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:28 PM
Close-up Of Front

ProTour X9
06-18-2007, 01:37 PM
YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!! :D Awesome to see this project!!!!!!!!!!!!!

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:37 PM
Another View

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:47 PM
Starting To Fit The New Core Material

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:49 PM
The Rear Core- Cut & Fit

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:50 PM
More Of The Same

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:52 PM
Once All The Pieces Were Fit, I Numbered Them To Go Back In Order When I Glued Them In

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:53 PM
You Can See The Resin Between The Pieces

74stars
06-18-2007, 01:54 PM
More Of The Front

74stars
06-18-2007, 02:45 PM
More Of The Core Replacement

74stars
06-18-2007, 02:47 PM
Once The Resin Was Set We Had To Sand Some Of The High Spots- Thanks Dad!

74stars
06-18-2007, 02:49 PM
At This Point Al The Shaping Was Done An I Started Cutting The Layers Of Glass Mat.

74stars
06-18-2007, 02:50 PM
Another View

74stars
06-18-2007, 02:50 PM
In All, Seven Full Layers Of Mat Went On

74stars
06-18-2007, 03:06 PM
Laying Up Mat With Resin

74stars
06-18-2007, 03:06 PM
Different View

74stars
06-18-2007, 03:07 PM
From The Side

74stars
06-18-2007, 03:16 PM
This Is All Of The Pics I Have At This Time- Will Need Ot Find The Camera To Pull The Rest Out. I Do Have Some Of The Trailer Hash As Well- Will Post Them Below.

74stars
06-18-2007, 03:17 PM
Stripping It Down

74stars
06-18-2007, 03:21 PM
More Trailer

74stars
06-18-2007, 03:22 PM
From The Back

74stars
06-18-2007, 03:29 PM
Ground Bevels In To New Bunk Boards Then Sent The Trailer To The Sandblaster.

74stars
06-19-2007, 11:29 AM
ProTour X9
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YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!! Awesome to see this project!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks for kind words!

fintek9
06-19-2007, 11:34 AM
It's getting there, lookin good...

ski_king
03-30-2008, 09:42 AM
How about an update on this project?

74stars
04-24-2008, 02:07 PM
Hi guys, it has been a while for sure. As for the update- I am ashamed to say that I have not touched it since October (it's been a long winter!!!). I quit when I had reached the point where the physical repair was 99.99% done on the hull. I have countless hours of laying up, grinding, sanding, and laying up some more. There is only one small bubbled spot in the fiberglass and some work on the rear corners that I am not completely happy with, but no real big deal there to get it done. However, I am at a crossroads; I had ordered new artic white gel coat and duratec additive from spectrum over a year ago. The duratec has since expired and the gel has just been sitting and waiting. I am seriously considering painting instead of re-gelling the whole boat. I would really like to hear from some of you guys that have painted yours- possibly yellow78mc? (Sorry, I can't remember who all has painted) What paint did you use and how has the durability been? Any issues with peeling? I am afraid if I try to gel this thing it will be next Christmas before I see any more real progress towards the water. On the positive side, the trailer is basically done; it is now painted (white epoxy with a ton of hardener in it) new black bunk & bow carpet & new LED lights. I still want to replace the axle to update the hubs/ brake bearings- nobody makes inner seals for this old-school brake set-up anymore. The local trailer shop has quoted around $170.00 for a new axle sans hardware and hubs… yea. The seats have been re-done (a nice soft white marine vinyl with a very light gray stripe in place of the blue) I had a local upholstery shop make new skins and they turned out great (it totaled right at $400.00 for parts and labor with new skins, foam and new wood backs & bottoms). I have also amassed a collection of new parts to go in to it- new NOS white faced air-guide speedos, new starter from ski-dim (cha-ching! got to love the old reverse rotation engines!!), new lift off platform brackets, I still need new rub-rail and carpet, plus the tons of odds and ends to put it back together. Basically there will be very little that is left un-touched when it gets done. I somehow nuked the pics out of the camera that I took when I pushed it in to the corner of the shop last fall. I need to get to work and snap some new pics. What a mess… I am glad my wife still loves me!!!!

pilot02
04-24-2008, 02:12 PM
Depending on how long from now it is until you actually put the top coat on, I'd mix a very small portion of the gelcoat and duratec.. I know it has a shelf life, but depending on storage conditions, chances are it will well outlast it's labeled life.. I've painted and done gelcoat and although the gelcoat is harder to workwith, I think it's better to gelcoat than to paint.. Finish is much harder and more durable.

my .02

Wacko
04-02-2009, 04:14 PM
Any updates?

fka74Stars
05-27-2009, 11:23 AM
Update on the Update: Wow it has been way too long, and what a difference a new job and a new child makes. Basically I have not touched the boat since my last post. In that time I have switched careers and have been busy with our now two year old son. I have somehow lost the ability to edit and add new posts on the board, and after many attempts to remedy the situation I have given up and created a new membership. Hence the fka... The good news is that my better half has recently laid down the ultimatum: Fix the boat....now. So, with her blessing I am planning on starting again to finally finish it and get it back on the water very soon. Wish me luck! - 74Stars

fka74Stars
05-27-2009, 11:24 AM
Great, I see i have been bumped to "Guest" status..... perfect.

TMCNo1
05-27-2009, 11:27 AM
Update on the Update: Wow it has been way too long, and what a difference a new job and a new child makes. Basically I have not touched the boat since my last post. In that time I have switched careers and have been busy with our now two year old son. I have somehow lost the ability to edit and add new posts on the board, and after many attempts to remedy the situation I have given up and created a new membership. Hence the fka... The good news is that my better half has recently laid down the ultimatum: Fix the boat....now. So, with her blessing I am planning on starting again to finally finish it and get it back on the water very soon. Wish me luck! - 74Stars

This may help in your posting problems, http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showpost.php?p=569820&postcount=1
and/or here, http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showpost.php?p=548290&postcount=1

fka74Stars
05-27-2009, 11:33 AM
Thanks TMC! I have been having problems on and off for the past year. Something is messed up with my normal profile, that when I log in =, it shows I am active but it will not allow me to edit my posts or create new ones. Now with the new profile I set up, when I go to the USER CP and try to edit, I get this message:

"When you make changes to this profile, your Parent / Guardian will be notified by email.

If you are over the age of 13, you should not be seeing this message. Please contact the administrator with your username, and your account will be changed.

To print out a new permissions form, please click the button below. "

I sent a message to the administrator yesterday, so hopefully it will be fixed soon.

cptskier15
05-02-2010, 03:18 PM
Did you finish your boat? Work done so far looked amazing!

thatsmrmastercraft
05-02-2010, 04:01 PM
I hadn't seen this thread before. What a huge undertaking. I hope you haven't become so discouraged with the site that you quit posting. Tremendous job...............sure would like to see the remainder of the work as it gets done.