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Teamoro
03-24-2007, 10:32 AM
I've purchased a great marine railway for my X10 but have not finalized the deal on the winch; dealer wants over $2000 for the winch; I've been looking for a good 120v AC winch but am having trouble finding a decent unit with decent line speed (>11 fpm); nothing really under $2k; so I shift over to look at all the great 12v DC winches for off roading/4*4s; Superwinch, Warn, Milemarker.... some great winches for $500-$800 (5000-8000 lb units with good line speeds) .... but now I'm finding out that power may be an issue?? Does anyone know if I could just hook up a good heavy duty battery with charger to one of these 12 v winches and will it give me the amps/power that I need? OR will it die on me daily/weekly/after a year? I'm only pulling the boat up approx 50' up a slight grade (10 degrees) perhaps a few times a week...... Thanks.:eek3:

Ric
03-24-2007, 10:44 AM
Gman and possibly workin 4 toys have experience with these
they should be along soon

puck_11
03-24-2007, 11:18 AM
Easiest thing to do would be to find a 120V AC to 12V DC rectifier, I'm looking online right now for one. Then you wouldn't have to worry about a battery. Not sure of the prices though. Most of the time people want to go the other way, DC to AC inverter, and you can find those anywhere for cheap.

puck_11
03-24-2007, 11:30 AM
http://www.secamerica.com/powersupplies.html

This website should do you well...Not sure of prices or even if this stuff will work for you, I have a very limited knowledge, I am definately not an engineer!

Workin' 4 Toys
03-24-2007, 02:37 PM
Somewhere I lost with what you main goal is. Do you want cheap, fast, or 12V or 120V?
Do you have a 120volts in the location? Do you have a 12v charger, if so is it suitable to sit outside? Do you have a place to store 2 deep cycle batteries, and figure that into the cost?
50' is nothing, and it would seem to me you could use one a little smaller and use a snatch block (this about doubles the pulling power, but slows the speed)
What locks it in place at the top?

bigmac
03-24-2007, 02:48 PM
I gotta say...these marine railway systems are designed with a pull-pull winch looped-cable system for safety and reliability. This project is sounding a lot like one of my many over the years where about 2/3 of the way into it I'd wished I'd just bitten the bullet and shelled out the $2k so that the end result actually works, and conveniently and safely.

My wife still reminds me of the boat lift I built a few years ago because I thought $600 for a new one was outrageous. By the next season, when I had to replace it, I'd spent $350 PLUS the $600 I ended up paying for the new one.

Teamoro
03-24-2007, 03:32 PM
Thanks; ultimately, I have 120 v to start with; I do not need a push/pull system as I have enough drop and will only need to have a straight single line pull.
If there was a 120v ac system for around $1k with good line speed (>11 fpm), that would be great/ideal; since I can't find 120 v in the price range I'm hoping, I'm trying to see if there is a simple way to make a 12 v dc system work; not sure if a 120 v ac to 12 dc system (converter?) will have have enough amps (?) to power one of the 12 v winches?
Will search the internet to see.
Thanks.

Teamoro
03-24-2007, 03:37 PM
Thanks Puck; that's helpful.

Teamoro
03-24-2007, 03:46 PM
Thanks Workin; overall, location, lock down, etc is not a problem; just trying to find out if there is an electrical system to go from 120 v ac to 12 v dc and give me the amps I need to power a 'standard' 4*4 winch and overall, give me good line speed at less than $1k
Thanks.

Teamoro
03-24-2007, 03:47 PM
Big Mac... I hear you.... I've had a few similar projects where you start out thinking you're going to save $$ and in the end it some times doesn't pay off.... only researching for now.....
Thanks.

bigmac
03-24-2007, 04:04 PM
Big Mac... I hear you.... I've had a few similar projects where you start out thinking you're going to save $$ and in the end it some times doesn't pay off.... only researching for now.....
Thanks.I would think that an Optima Blue or some other deep-cycle battery on a continuous float charger like this one (http://store.schumachermart.com/se-1-12s.html) would work fine. I routinely powered my LiftMate winch on my old boat lift from my boat's battery without any external charger at all. As to the Schumacher float charger...I have one I keep on the 12 volt battery on my portable fueler (http://mccollister.info/gastank.jpg) with 12 volt pump 24/7/365.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-85105415359236_1924_2251223

Teamoro
03-25-2007, 11:52 AM
Thanks Bigmac; this may work.

uncleboo
03-25-2007, 02:24 PM
This is one of the best offroad winches on the market. It is faster than the 9x series winches offered by Warn.


http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M8274-50.shtml

bigmac
03-25-2007, 04:01 PM
This is one of the best offroad winches on the market. It is faster than the 9x series winches offered by Warn.


http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/M8274-50.shtml

Even that behemoth winch only needs a 650 CCA battery, so I think you'd be in fine shape with that battery on a continuous float charger. I note that that winch is about $1000 though. It has an 8000 lb rated line pull, which may be a lot more than you need to winch a 3200 lb boat up a modest incline. Having said that, make sure you look at a winch's line speed for the weight you're pulling because it varies with weight.

Additionally, one of the nice features of a marine railway, or any boat lift, is a wireless remote capability. This is probably more true of a railway system since the winch is likely to be some distance from the tram when launching or recovering the boat. No remote means somebody has to hold the boat positioned on the cradle while you walk within range of the wired remote (12 feet). You can get a 40 foot remote for $125, although you'd have to figure out a way to manage the remote's wire harness. Maybe not a big deal -- I'm sure there's a way to secure the boat in position so you can leave it, but note that Warn specifically recommends against the only wireless remotes available for vehicle winches (http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/radio_remote_notice.shtml), whereas they're common accessories with railway winches.

uncleboo
03-25-2007, 06:34 PM
The M8274 may be overkill for your needs. I have seen that winch free one ton duallys from several feet of mud. For line speed, you won't find much faster. However, you could get a Warn rated for 6k or 7K. Rule of thumb for winching a 4x4, get a winch rated for at least double the weight of the vehicle. This probably doesn't apply to boating since there won't be suction from mud, etc. You may be able to get by with one of the ATV winches and save some big bucks. I couldn't imagine that you would have to spend more than 700-800 (including the battery).