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SkiDog
01-23-2007, 11:44 AM
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'Girls Gone Wild' CEO put on probation Tue Jan 23, 2:39 AM ET



LOS ANGELES - The founder of the "Girls Gone Wild" videos was sentenced Monday to two years probation and 200 hours of community service for violating federal laws designed to prevent the sexual exploitation of minors.

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Joe Francis, 33, also was ordered to pay a $500,000 fine as part of a plea deal he made with the U.S. Department of Justice in September, when he plead guilty to failing to document the ages of young women engaging in sexually explicit acts in the tapes.

Under the deal, Francis acknowledged he included footage of two drunken, underage girls shot in Florida in the videos.

Francis said he was targeted because the "government needs to make an example."

"The FBI investigated me for five years ... and this is the best that they could come up with," he said.

Last month, a federal judge in Florida ordered Francis' Santa Monica-based company, Mantra Films Inc., to pay a $1.6 million fine for featuring in its videos two 17-year-olds who were filmed on Panama City Beach during spring break in 2003. Francis and the company's three top officers were each ordered to perform eight hours of community service monthly for 30 months.

Mantra has appealed.

Sodar
01-23-2007, 11:49 AM
He is my hero too!! Take a WILD guess where he went to school!?!?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Workin' 4 Toys
01-23-2007, 11:52 AM
He is my hero too!!
You're opinion will change when you have kids.

SkiDog
01-23-2007, 11:55 AM
He is my hero too!! Take a WILD guess where he went to school!?!?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

My guess would be Fla. Thats where the most easy girls are!

Skidog to divorce and marry the peacock,

Sodar
01-23-2007, 12:03 PM
My guess would be Fla. Thats where the most easy girls are!

No No No!! He went to USC!! :D

Sodar
01-23-2007, 12:03 PM
You're opinion will change when you have kids.

No it won't! He will still be my hero... just as long as he is not filming my kids!!! ;)

kycat2007
01-23-2007, 12:05 PM
I will predict that someone on this board will go conservative right on this one. I remember someone getting mad about the list and what it entailed. Ok I took my swami hat off.

Jesus_Freak
01-23-2007, 01:00 PM
I will predict that someone on this board will go conservative right on this one. I remember someone getting mad about the list and what it entailed. Ok I took my swami hat off.

No anger from me on this one my bruthas....just disbelief :eek3: at the use of the word "hero." I would have to hope that the term is applied jokingly here, seeing as we all seem to have a strong sense of humor (especially during the winter months :) ).

Harvey
01-23-2007, 01:17 PM
I can say that I admire Larry Flynt's and Hugh Hefner's business ideas but I still think they are sleazy. Likewise with Francis, no one had done it and it makes money so I have to concede that, but the guy is sleazy. I wish I had the idea first and capitalized on it, although I don't think I would take his lackadaisical attitude toward underage girls. If I met him I wouldn’t know whether to punch him first or shake his hand before I punched him.

trickskier
01-23-2007, 01:21 PM
No it won't! He will still be my hero... just as long as he is not filming my kids!!! ;)
Sorry to inform you Sodar, that's what I thought too.........But your views will change a lot when you have children of own. I thought I was going to be a teenager forever.......Having children changed my views about a lot of things........:rolleyes:

Sodar
01-23-2007, 01:31 PM
Sorry to inform you Sodar, that's what I thought too.........But your views will change a lot when you have children of own. I thought I was going to be a teenager forever.......Having children changed my views about a lot of things........:rolleyes:

You are probably right... who knows what the future will bring.

This guy has capitalized on something that sells. His business plan and ethics might be short of admirable, but on the flip side, you have got to realize that what he films and depicts is real life. I am not going to get on a soapbox her, but a lot of the girls today are just as sleazy as him...

trickskier
01-23-2007, 01:45 PM
You are probably right... who knows what the future will bring.

This guy has capitalized on something that sells. His business plan and ethics might be short of admirable, but on the flip side, you have got to realize that what he films and depicts is real life. I am not going to get on a soapbox her, but a lot of the girls today are just as sleazy as him...
Frankly, I admire his entrepreneurial skills. Unfortunately, he stepped over the line when he used underage girls. That I cannot condone. I've never seen one of his videos, but I'm not saying that I would not watch one either.

SkiDog
01-23-2007, 02:04 PM
I've never seen one of his videos, but I'm not saying that I would not watch one either.

Well then Tricky, I'll have to see about that! I'll make a call to #1, and see if he can spare any of his collection! He's kinda funny about that ya know! But being as we are all good bud's, then I would think he'd loan you 10-12 of em'! That old bird has got every one the guy ever made, and a few that I've made!:D And I'm sure he's made arangements to have a few of his SPECIAL girls at the Carolina Madness Event too. He's got some real prizes!


As far as the HERO thing, yea it was a joke. This guy has made a gazillion bucks, but all that money has gone to his peanut head. One day he'll have a teenager, then we'll all get the last laugh! But ya know, just once, I would love to attend one of his parties!:D

trickskier
01-23-2007, 02:11 PM
But ya know, just once, I would love to attend one of his parties!:D
That or a party at the Playboy Mansion......Just don't forget trickskier if you get an invtation to either one......:D

chudson
01-23-2007, 02:17 PM
Entrepreneurial?
I wonder how hard is it to sell videos of naked teeny bopers? Has anyone gone belly up doing this? Whoops not a good choice of words! Has anyone gone bankrupt doing this? :twocents:

Speaking as a father with a daughter, I hope he goes down the tubes and it sounds hipocritical but Playboy and the others don't bother me abit as long as they're of age it's just the girls look real young and I hope they don't smack themselves on the forehead down the road and say "Why did I do that"!!!

trickskier
01-23-2007, 02:37 PM
Entrepreneurial?
I was only referring to the fact that he thought of doing it, did his own marketing, and made a lot of money while having fun doing so.

I wish I could make a lot of money and have fun at the same time. Somehow, I don't think that's possible or LEGAL......8p

chudson
01-23-2007, 02:41 PM
Yea I know I guess I should have stated that, it wasn't meant as a smack at what you had to say!!!

trickskier
01-23-2007, 02:48 PM
Yea I know I guess I should have stated that, it wasn't meant as a smack at what you had to say!!!
I didn't take it that way.......Just wanted to explain my comment.

RexDog1
01-23-2007, 03:10 PM
I have no problem with porno, it has its time and place……
But this Joe Francis is a DIRT BALL; he knows he is shooting “drunken, underage girls”
That is the problem I have with him, if you have ever heard him talk,
He is a JACKHOLE
He is a POS in my book…it might look to you that I am hypercrite with some of the photos
I have posted…..but all the girls are over 18, and know it is going to be posted on TMC (ONLY)
They look forward to it!!!!!!!8p 8p 8p 8p
I do have a little girl of my own, and I tell my wife the only job I have with her is to keep her off the pole
(can’t tell you how that goes over?)
The only problem with Joe Francis he will keep doing it……….
some dad will take him out someday…….

Off the soapbox now

Workin' 4 Toys
01-23-2007, 03:21 PM
some dad will take him out someday…….
Or some mom......

Either way, he won't be missed.


I understand he built himself an enormous residence in Mexico.

milkmania
01-23-2007, 04:04 PM
what ever happened to the waiver people sign when they are filmed?

RexDog1
01-23-2007, 04:10 PM
what ever happened to the waiver people sign when they are filmed?


“plead guilty to failing to document the ages of young women engaging in sexually explicit acts in the tapes.”

I think that is what they got him on?

milkmania
01-23-2007, 04:15 PM
“plead guilty to failing to document the ages of young women engaging in sexually explicit acts in the tapes.”

I think that is what they got him on?






that brings me back to the bright idea I had some time back.........

say I rob a bank, leave with 3.7 million dollars.
go to prison for a few years, and profit at least 3 million after attorney's fees, fines, court costs, etc........


looks like the profit out weighs the penalty:rolleyes:

chudson
01-23-2007, 05:18 PM
Exact same thing happened to a banker in my town, embezzeled 1.5 mil went to jail for a short time and is living in a beautiful home in an exclusive neighborhood, and probably laughing about it!!

Ryan
01-23-2007, 05:47 PM
that brings me back to the bright idea I had some time back.........

say I rob a bank, leave with 3.7 million dollars.
go to prison for a few years, and profit at least 3 million after attorney's fees, fines, court costs, etc........


looks like the profit out weighs the penalty:rolleyes:

Except for remuneration. The funds can be siezed even if they were gifted away before legally charged and are traced back.

Oh, back to little Francis. He's a creep and I have a real problem with the fact that the waivers are/were signed when for the most part the girls were drunk enough to have little agency and capacity when they signed.

As a father of soon to be 2 girls, I absolutely hate to think that one of them may feel necessary to impress some stupid guy with any behavior close to what is on those vidoes. Let alone do it for a camera and what ever sleezy version of Youtube exists in 15 years. Especially since society's acceptance of such behavior is likely to broaden by the time my girls are in High School.

Ric
01-23-2007, 06:02 PM
I will predict that someone on this board will go conservative right on this one. I remember someone getting mad about the list and what it entailed. Ok I took my swami hat off. I was appalled .

Harvey
01-23-2007, 07:00 PM
The kicker for Francis is he gets a verbal waiver from the girl on tape (bad idea to begin with) prior to any act that they may perform. This presents a host of problems. It also begs this question: is his staff participating in the intoxication of the girl or was the girl priorly intoxicated when she gave said verbal consent? You can bet that her getting drunk is not on tape.

You can see how all this would cause a host of problems both for the girls and Francis.