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iokua
01-04-2005, 02:35 AM
Anyone know the approximate weight of an '85 (or similar) S&S without trailer? Thinking about changing my tow vehicle.......

tph
01-04-2005, 03:00 AM
Anyone know the approximate weight of an '85 (or similar) S&S without trailer? Thinking about changing my tow vehicle.......

I think they are about 2200 Lbs.

jayderwin1
01-04-2005, 09:36 AM
2200 is right for the boat but don't forget about the trailer, thats what i did and found out the trailer weight more the the boat at 2700 lbs. and i have a truck that is only supose to pull 3500 lbs.

MarkP
01-04-2005, 10:35 AM
Jay

That sounds a little heavy for a trailer. Was that a mastercraft trailer?? I thought the Mastercraft trailer weight was more like 900/1200, single, double, respectively

jayderwin1
01-04-2005, 11:14 AM
yeah i thought they were about 800 lbs but the manual says it weights 2700 lbs. Its a MasterCraft Trailer single axel.

MarkP
01-04-2005, 11:16 AM
Wow.. That surprises me..

iokua
01-04-2005, 11:51 AM
Thanks, guys. FYI: I have a double axle trailer with hydraulic brakes that weighs just under 1000lbs. Seems hard to imagine the Mastercraft single axle weighs almost 3 times that!

What do you guys pull with? Any wishes you had a more powerful rig?

ski_king
01-04-2005, 12:17 PM
yeah i thought they were about 800 lbs but the manual says it weights 2700 lbs. Its a MasterCraft Trailer single axel.

My guess is boat and trailer weight about 2700.
Boat 2200
Trailer 500

The trailer on my 82 weighs around 500. I know 4 of us have picked it up and moved it before.

MarkP
01-04-2005, 12:18 PM
I use an 8cyl Explorer or an 8cyl F250. They both do the job just fine, (about 3500lbs + or -)

More power, always want more power.. Hell that was at the top of my Christmas list.:D

Seriously, the Explorer pulls fine but I wouldn’t mind a little heaver tow vehicle.

east tx skier
01-04-2005, 12:23 PM
No way the trailer weighs that much. Gotta be combined weight.

For towing, I prefer a V8, but don't forget about the rear axle. My expedition has a weak 3.33 rear axle. That said, it still tows like a son-of-a-gun. My brother in law has a grand cherokee with a V8 and a 3.73. Towing machine.

The explorer V8 or V6 will do the job, but the boat will play a bit of who's your daddy with it. That said, I've towed my 93 PS205 many a time with my wife's v6 exploder (overdrive off) and had very satisfactory results (but watch out for those slick ramps).

AirJunky
01-04-2005, 01:56 PM
My '98 Dodge Dakota with the 318 V8 tows my PS205 with tandem axle trailer without any trouble at all. Blewitt Pass at 45 or 50 mph was kind of interesting but otherwise the Dodge doesn't even break a sweat. Stopping is not a problem either.... as long as the trailer brakes are engaged.

My buddies' '96 Explorer with the V6 works like a dog though. Stopping is an event, even with the trailer brakes...... something to do with the short wheelbase? Starting from a dead stop to go up a fairly small hill is a chore & a half.

east tx skier
01-04-2005, 03:47 PM
AJ, my wife's exploder v6 is a 97 and doesn't do a particularly bad job towing the boat. Like you said, wheel base is a little short, but it did the job alright. Maybe you guys are dealing with some more serious terrain than we've got here in Texas?

Then again, with the Expedition, her trailer hitch has become purely a device for dealing with tailgaters.

tim
01-04-2005, 08:26 PM
We used to use a Ford Galaxy which was fine on the level but a bit exciting on the slipway - had to engage the drive on the boat (while on the trailer in the water) and pull away in the car all at the same time. If you didn't get the timing right you would sit there with the wheels spinning!
Changed last year to a Grand Cherokee and this has reduced the drama considerably.

jayderwin1
01-07-2005, 09:36 AM
i think your right Powerslot 82 in my manual it say's the boat weights 2200 lbs but in the trailer specifications GVW(weight) 2700lbs i am not sure what the GVW means.

speckeen
01-07-2005, 10:21 AM
From the research I have done, the GVW (Gross vehicle weight) is the weight of the vehicle and everything on board. According to this definition, your boat would weigh 2200 lbs, and the trailer about 500 lbs.

jayderwin1
01-07-2005, 01:49 PM
good deal that makes me feel a little better pulling it with my 4 banger Tacoma.

kjohnson
01-07-2005, 02:39 PM
I have a 91 Prostar 190. It weighs 2400#. The trailer weighs 800#, for a total weight of 3200#.

iokua
01-07-2005, 03:14 PM
jayderwin1,

So how's the tacoma handle the boat? I have a 1st gen 4runner I would like to use, but don't know how well it would do.

east tx skier
01-07-2005, 03:24 PM
We used to use a Ford Galaxy which was fine on the level but a bit exciting on the slipway - had to engage the drive on the boat (while on the trailer in the water) and pull away in the car all at the same time. If you didn't get the timing right you would sit there with the wheels spinning!
Changed last year to a Grand Cherokee and this has reduced the drama considerably.

My father-in-law loves to tell the story of the time they tried to tow the old I/O with a '92 Lincoln Town Car. As he tells it, it was fine for power, but the suspension left a little to be desired. They turned around about 5 miles down the road, headed back to the house, and hooked it up to the truck, which proved to be more comfortable afterall.

AirJunky
01-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Hope your towing in some pretty flat areas to use the Toyota 4 bangers. I had an '87 4'Runner with the 22R & while technically it was able to tow my old SeaRay (about 2000 lbs), it worked hard doing it on any hills. Interstate 405 in Renton was ridiculous, 35 or 40 mph in a 60. Stopping was easy but I had to get a head start at any hills.

ski_king
01-07-2005, 03:29 PM
In a pinch, I have used my old 80 Subaru station wagon 1800cc 4 speed to pull mine. Although I never took it on a main road or over 30 mph.

speckeen
01-07-2005, 03:59 PM
An example of using the wrong vehicle to pull a trailer.

Go to www.stupidvideos.com

Click on Search

Type in trailer pull, and play the video.

jayderwin1
01-07-2005, 05:40 PM
i pulls alright you can tell its back their, it has a slow take off but not bad the worst part is when i am doing over 55 mph it rocks up and down it probably would not do that if i had some leaf spring helpers or a sway bar or something of that nature. the back end of my truck is pretty spongy to begin with being only 2 wheel drive. it will pull it right out of the water with no problem though. i think a 4 runner would probably have heavier suspension in the back end, i would say it would pull better than my tacoma.

jayderwin1
01-07-2005, 05:44 PM
Speckeen i hope i never get in that situation that person pulling that trailer is messed up!

H20skeefreek
01-07-2005, 05:51 PM
I tow mine with a v6 s10 (crew cab so longer wheelbase) and 3.43 gears, you can tell it's back there, but it does a good job, and I don't have brakes.