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sand2snow22
11-01-2006, 05:31 PM
I like the new automatic ballast system. Shuts off when full, shuts off when empty. No more forgetting and ruining the impellers.

I like how MC has the patent on the swivel board racks. I didn't know this? I still like it, even though we might pay more because of the it. They're the best in the business......

erkoehler
11-01-2006, 05:35 PM
New tower, prewired tower speaker wires, no mufflers, CATS, LED trailer lights, heated seats, new rims on the trailer wheels....shall I continue :)

sand2snow22
11-01-2006, 05:38 PM
I like all those, too. The prewired tower speaker wires must really help the dealers....

Mag_Red
11-01-2006, 05:44 PM
I like the fact my lowly 209 is a year closer to being paid off:D

corey
11-01-2006, 06:43 PM
PWT edition X-Star! There is no way my wife is getting a blue MC with this thing haning around.

TMCNo1
11-01-2006, 07:08 PM
The boat and van are killer, I just want 30 Cialis a month instead of 4 and no $19 co-pay!

duckguy
11-01-2006, 07:14 PM
Auto ballast is a mixed blessing- my dealer told me I would of been unable to add the two plumbed in locker sacks to my Mari 200 in 07, which it desperatly needed. The billet door and rear cup holder pieces are sweet too.

beatle78
11-01-2006, 07:23 PM
I don't care for the new tower. I wanted to order last years tower, but could not get one. The lightning bolts look kinda cheesy to me and it looks like it's just waiting to impale someone OUCH :(

Jerseydave
11-01-2006, 07:25 PM
The boat and van are killer, I just want 30 Cialis a month instead of 4 and no $19 co-pay!

TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!

corey, whats the $$$ on that PWT edition?

corey
11-01-2006, 07:34 PM
You can still add the extra ballast to a 200, you'll need to flip the ballast switch twice to fill and empty. The pumps run on a timer, so it's no different than installing bags in the old system.

No word yet on the PWT Edition pricing, that or I don't rank high enough to know yet. Its pretty cool though, the X is silver metal flake! There is custom carpet, wheels, blacked out speaker grills and tubs, chrome trailer tounge. We have a couple of more pics at http://www.waterskis.com/News-Events-s/83.htm

erkoehler
11-01-2006, 08:42 PM
I don't care for the new tower. I wanted to order last years tower, but could not get one. The lightning bolts look kinda cheesy to me and it looks like it's just waiting to impale someone OUCH :(


What boat do you want w/ a 2006 tower....this time of year, you may still be able to find a leftover 2006.

erkoehler
11-01-2006, 08:43 PM
We've got a 2007 PWT X-Star on the way!!! :)

Chief
11-01-2006, 09:29 PM
Lack of muffler and those sweet tips. Someone find that engineer who thought of the dual hotdog muffler and smack the crap out of him for that design. What the hell were they thinking?

RexDog1
11-02-2006, 10:11 AM
Trim Plates on all X boats, and have the trim plate switch on the throttle
Arm knob

Quick release tap into the stock ballast system to fill aftermarket bags
By using the stock pump system

trickskier
11-02-2006, 10:43 AM
I just want 30 Cialis a month instead of 4 and no $19 co-pay!

Why do you need more than 4???

G-man
11-02-2006, 10:49 AM
New tower, prewired tower speaker wires, no mufflers, CATS, LED trailer lights, heated seats, new rims on the trailer wheels....shall I continue :)


All this is great looking but it won't help me ski better. The Cats are the only improvement that impresses me. On the trail and on the water chrome don't get you home.

LakePirate
11-02-2006, 10:51 AM
Why do you need more than 4???


He gives them to the Roosters

bigpack20
11-02-2006, 12:13 PM
What is not to like it is a MC

TMCNo1
11-02-2006, 12:29 PM
Why do you need more than 4???


Working on my supplies for next seasons tomato crop. That way I don't have to use stake to keep the plants up, they do it themselves and I drop one each Spring in my guidebar tubes so they won't bend!

TMCNo1
11-02-2006, 12:35 PM
All this is great looking but it won't help me ski better. The Cats are the only improvement that impresses me. On the trail and on the water chrome don't get you home.


Is that you Gene? :uglyhamme Hey, G-man!:D

ski36short
11-02-2006, 12:49 PM
no mufflers

Why is that a good thing? Just lets the lake know someone's out there skiing. Fine if you're in the middle of nowhere but for morning sets, I don't think so. And I don't believe that the cats muffle that much sound.

The tips are definitely cool though.

Archimedes
11-02-2006, 12:59 PM
New tower, prewired tower speaker wires, no mufflers, CATS, LED trailer lights, heated seats, new rims on the trailer wheels....shall I continue :)

IMHO....the new tower's fugly, prewiring is a great idea (I just question why that took so long), no mufflers is a bad idea for an industry already fighting the lake police (see the plight of dirt bike riding in this country), CATS good, LED trailer lights (yawn), heated seats (yawn), like the old rims better...and that PWT X-Star looks like it belongs in Busta Rhymes' garage with some Unique Whips stickers on it.

The best thing I've seen from MC so far for 2007 is that little red CSX.

duckguy
11-02-2006, 01:14 PM
The tips can be put on from the Design stuff on our 06 etc

trickskier
11-02-2006, 02:48 PM
I like having no mufflers. I want wally to know that I'm coming so he can get out of my way!

erkoehler
11-02-2006, 02:51 PM
Why is that a good thing? Just lets the lake know someone's out there skiing. Fine if you're in the middle of nowhere but for morning sets, I don't think so. And I don't believe that the cats muffle that much sound.

The tips are definitely cool though.


The boat is not any louder with the new system than it was with the mufflers...which is why I like it!

east tx skier
11-02-2006, 03:17 PM
I thought it was just a tad louder, but not enough to worry about.

projectely4
11-02-2006, 04:16 PM
I love all the new things in 07. chrome muffler tips, heated seats, csx, and the new colors are my favorites

duckguy
11-02-2006, 04:57 PM
07's are 4db's more no biggy

TX.X-30 fan
11-11-2006, 04:21 PM
:D :D Working on my supplies for next seasons tomato crop. That way I don't have to use stake to keep the plants up, they do it themselves and I drop one each Spring in my guidebar tubes so they won't bend!


Either you are very creative or just a sick individual.

TMCNo1
11-11-2006, 08:23 PM
:D :D


Either you are very creative or just a sick individual.


All of the above, with some in reserve!:D Just making funnies!

x-starmcx
11-12-2006, 06:31 PM
anyone noticed a lack of real attention to detail in their boats ?
niggly bit's that you have to live with ....... just my 2c.....

erkoehler
11-12-2006, 06:39 PM
^ NO????:confused:

bigmac
11-12-2006, 07:49 PM
The tips can be put on from the Design stuff on our 06 etc
The MasterCraft by Design exhaust tips have nothing to do with the 07 baffled muffler system. For one thing, the MBD tips are about $450 (labor not included) compared to the 07 system which can be retrofitted fairly easily (according to MYMC) to any recent MasterCraft for $130 per side (labor not included). $260 to get rid of that stupid, misplaced silencer out of the engine compartment is a deal really worth considering.

bigmac
11-12-2006, 07:50 PM
anyone noticed a lack of real attention to detail in their boats ?
niggly bit's that you have to live with ....... just my 2c.....That's only on the boats they send overseas.:)

TMCNo1
11-12-2006, 08:04 PM
anyone noticed a lack of real attention to detail in their boats ?
niggly bit's that you have to live with ....... just my 2c.....


I really wish I understood what you are talking about, just curious?:confused:

bigmac
11-12-2006, 08:29 PM
07's are 4db's more no biggy

Hmmm...4dB. An increase of 3dB represents a doubling of the sound intensity. The decibel is a logarithmic unit - so, for example, a 10dB increase in sound intensity means that the sound is 10 times louder ie.. 80db is 10 times louder than 70dB.

Now, the percieved loudness works a little differently because of the way the human ear works and that's probably more applicable here. The A-weighted decibel scale is what cops use on their decibel meter for documenting that your car's exhaust system is too loud, for example. On that scale, a difference of 10 dB represents a doubling of the perceived loudness.

My point is that an increase of 4 dB in MasterCraft exhaust loudness, even on the A-weighted decibel scale, is not necessarily a trivial increase.

Archimedes
11-12-2006, 09:24 PM
anyone noticed a lack of real attention to detail in their boats ?
niggly bit's that you have to live with ....... just my 2c.....

Err, yes I have. I've been dealing with little issues since the day I bought my boat; about half dealer caused and half MC. Nothing too major, just a lot of little niggles so far. I did expect better based on my experience with my last two boats. I'm just about finished putting it all back to where it should have been at delivery and looking forward to a great season next year. The performance so far has been great and that's all that really matters.

I have learned my lesson about buying from a dealer far away though. I won't ever do that again. Since my local dealer blows, that means my next boat won't be a MC unless I happen to live somewhere else.

bigmac
11-12-2006, 10:01 PM
Err, yes I have. I've been dealing with little issues since the day I bought my boat;

Me too. Little cosmetic issues, inattention to detail in construction, things that would be more understandable in a Bayliner.

As I was rehabbing my fiberglass swim platform, I turned it over and noted that the bracket assembly looks like it was attached to the platform by a junior high shop student. And my dashboard squeaks like crazy at certain RPMs and certain wave conditions. It's embarassing.

I'm hoping that better attention to assembly detail is one of the things to like about the 2007 MCs.

Leroy
11-12-2006, 10:22 PM
I would like to see a compressing step mounted to the trailer to get off the front of the boat. Or even just an official step somewhere on the front of the trailer.

rstitson
11-14-2006, 06:14 PM
Little things... The demo x-15 had the bracket holding the trim tab rotated out of square with the boat. Not enough to effect the functionality but anoying given the price and quality of components

454Barefoot
11-14-2006, 07:43 PM
does anyone have any pics of the exhaust tips some of you are talking about?

erkoehler
11-14-2006, 09:18 PM
2007 197...

MYMC
11-15-2006, 09:07 AM
Depending on what you may be trying to accomplish with an older (ie pre 2007 boat) I would refrain from adding the 2007 tips for right now. They are louder by 4 to 6 db as pointed out previously on both the A and more importantly (IMHO) C scale. Further if you are looking for a performance improvment you may be further disappointed depending on your application. Please keep in mind what your mother always told you "there is no free lunch" and this is never more true than when dealing with an internal combustion engine. :twocents:

bigmac
11-15-2006, 09:47 AM
Depending on what you may be trying to accomplish with an older (ie pre 2007 boat) I would refrain from adding the 2007 tips for right now. They are louder by 4 to 6 db as pointed out previously on both the A and more importantly (IMHO) C scale. Further if you are looking for a performance improvment you may be further disappointed depending on your application. Please keep in mind what your mother always told you "there is no free lunch" and this is never more true than when dealing with an internal combustion engine. :twocents:

I'm certainly no expert in psychoacoustics but my understanding is that the decibel C-scale is mostly linear and therefore more meaningful at higher sound levels. Has MasterCraft actually published the noise specs on its new exhaust system? I can't find it anywhere and I'd be curious to know because I'm seriously contemplating switching out my 2004.

For my part, I would certainly expect no performance increase..especially given the closed-loop EFI system used by non-2007 boats. In fact, a performance decrease would not surprise me given the increased potential problem with standing waves and reversion in an individually baffled system compared to an equalized system like the Silentmaster silencer.

Nevertheless, I find the Silentmaster a bad design in my V-drive, or perhaps more accurate to say an adequate design that is poorly implemented. I'd love to get it out of there if I can find a suitable alternative.

http://mccollister.info/rwpumpclearance.jpg

MYMC
11-15-2006, 10:15 AM
To quick to judge sir...you forget that even though the Silentmaster is an equilized system the added benefit of the crossover for the exhaust adding to the scavege effect cannot be understated.

In a "dry" system two single exhausts with no "balance" pipe are a losing situation. Add a correct size crossover in the correct location and you will pick up torque throught the operating range.

Now to complicate matters we have water flying around in here so things aren't as clear as they are in dry situation. The sound wave issues are not as big a player because we are dealing with water in the system.

Further C scale is more linear; however, it is also the scale you "feel" and therefore is the scale that automotive groups tune with when in alpha and beta testing. "A" used to be used however it resulted in countless hours in re-design due to consumer issues. Recently major sport fishing boats learned this lesson the hard way. There is no published spec for our boats at this time but we are working on it.

Drive a 2007...they are great, I'm not trying to talk you out of one, and I do understand the cleanace issues! If you have questions call me, my door is always open.

bigmac
11-15-2006, 10:47 AM
To quick to judge sir...you forget that even though the Silentmaster is an equilized system the added benefit of the crossover for the exhaust adding to the scavege effect cannot be understated.

In a "dry" system two single exhausts with no "balance" pipe are a losing situation. Add a correct size crossover in the correct location and you will pick up torque throught the operating range. Actually, I haven't judged anything yet, merely raising speculative points based on what little factual information I have - I have too little information to come to any conclusions about the relative performance merits of MasterCraft exhaust systems. It appears that you're saying that the 2007 exhaust system has a crossover - cool...I did not know that the 2007 was also equalized, but that's important information for me to add to my decision matrix:) .

Now to complicate matters we have water flying around in here so things aren't as clear as they are in dry situation. The sound wave issues are not as big a player because we are dealing with water in the system.
Actually, I wasn't referring to acoustical concerns in mentioning standing waves and reversion, rather their effect on back pressure...but the point about water in there is applicable and well-taken. I wouldn't have a clue how to factor that into the mix.

Frankly, I'm not very concerned about my exhaust loudness on my particular lake. In fact I'm not even very concerned about the performance, within limits - I couldn't care less about a performance increase, but I wouldn't necessarily want to take much of a performance hit in exchange for more working room in the bilge. That is what I'm kind of waiting to find out about. I'm hoping that you can provide some practical experience about that over the next several months. I have no doubt that the 2007 MasterCraft boats perform well, but I'll be interested to know your experience as it becomes available, especially with a 2007 exhaust conversion on a V-drive with non-CAT headers.

MYMC
11-15-2006, 11:01 AM
Actually, I haven't judged anything yet, merely raising speculative points based on what little factual information I have - I have too little information to come to any conclusions about the relative performance merits of MasterCraft exhaust systems. It appears that you're saying that the 2007 exhaust system has a crossover - cool...I did not know that the 2007 was also equalized, but that's important information for me to add to my decision matrix:) .
I re-read my post and the way I worded it was misleading there is no crossover. The exhaust is two stand alone pipes with the muffler/tips at the ends.


Actually, I wasn't referring to acoustical concerns in mentioning standing waves and reversion, rather their effect on back pressure...but the point about water in there is applicable and well-taken. I wouldn't have a clue how to factor that into the mix.
We are in the same boat there (forgive the pun).

Frankly, I'm not very concerned about my exhaust loudness on my particular lake. In fact I'm not even very concerned about the performance, within limits - I couldn't care less about a performance increase, but I wouldn't necessarily want to take much of a performance hit in exchange for more working room in the bilge. That is what I'm kind of waiting to find out about. I'm hoping that you can provide some practical experience about that over the next several months. I have no doubt that the 2007 MasterCraft boats perform well, but I'll be interested to know your experience as it becomes available, especially with a 2007 exhaust conversion on a V-drive with non-CAT headers.
I'll tell you all I know. PM me what model and engine you are interested in and I'll see what I can come up with.