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milkmania
11-01-2006, 06:19 PM
well, my 10 year old daughter was doing a back hand spring Monday evening with her instructor.... her right knee popped! loud enough for the instructor to hear it.

she's been in tremendous pain ever since!
took her to family dr. today, got an x-ray and the said osgood schlatter, but that wasn't what was causing the popping.

you should see this!
she'll be sitting, somewhat relazed, and all of a sudden her knee will pop, and go straight up to chest, totally out of control!
She's almost flipped upside down in the recliner at least 3 times, trying to get away from the pain:(

when we were trying to get an x-ray, my hip was against the x-ray table and I felt it pop throught my hip! I wasn't touching her.

Got an appointment with orthopedic specialist Friday, but she is so !@#$#@! miserable! It's just about got me in tears, bercause I'm helpless.

The dr. prescribed ibuprofen, R.I.C.E. treatment, and 1/2 a tablet of some prescription. (don't recall the name at the moment)
She's 10 years old, 5'4" and 118 lbs.

this sucks!!!:mad:

bcampbe7
11-01-2006, 06:41 PM
I had/have Osgood Schlatter in my right knee and this does not sound like what I experienced.

My knee pops but it is like popping your knuckles. The pain I have is on the front of my knee, just below the kneecap on what is called the tibial tuberosity.

When I was in middle school the pain was pretty severe. To this day if I get hit on the bump on my right knee it kills.

Is your doctor sure that she didn't tear something?

Mag_Red
11-01-2006, 06:42 PM
WOW! I really feel for the both of you! It's got to be hard to see your little girl in such pain. :(

JimN
11-01-2006, 06:50 PM
"tibial tuberosity."

Tibial tubercle when it's intact, the loose part is the tuberocity. My left one was/is in three pieces. Oh, boy.

"The traction of the quad muscle causes a disruption and inflammation in the layers of the pastry. In other words, the femur is growing faster than the quad muscle. The traction of the tight quad mechanism causes the tibial tubercle to pull away from the body of the tibia."

But you know that. I got out of freshman 2nd semester PE in HS because if it. I still try to keep from hitting it, though. I usually fail in that. One of my faves is to hit things with my kneecaps, like engine blocks, car doors and then there's my all-time fave, kneeling on drywall screws.

JimN
11-01-2006, 06:54 PM
Milk- how swollen is the knee? If it's not, it sounds like everything is just really loose. The 1/2 tab might be naproxen sodium. Great stuff! Alleve is the OTC version. Maybe they can fix it with a knee brace but I bet she'll be out of sports for a while. There's a lot of info online about Osgood-Schlatters, too. Give her a hug.

bigmac
11-01-2006, 07:20 PM
Jeez, sorry about that Milk. I know how much it hurts to see your kid in pain.

I doubt it's related to Osgood Schlatter. Could be a joint loose body, a little piece of something floating around in the joint that happened to float near the joint. Could be a torn cartilage, even an ACL, but it's hard to diagnose from here.

Not much to do, sadly, except immobilize, RICE, ibuprofen and additional pain medication if necessary - and wait to see the orthopedist.

Good luck. It's hard seeing a 10 year old in that kind of pain.

pq2
11-01-2006, 07:20 PM
wow, Im sorry to hear that, i can imagine the pain on your little girl and in you too. Hope every thing get fine soon.

Mi.mc
11-01-2006, 07:31 PM
I had/have Osgood Schlatter in my right knee and this does not sound like what I experienced.

My knee pops but it is like popping your knuckles. The pain I have is on the front of my knee, just below the kneecap on what is called the tibial tuberosity.

When I was in middle school the pain was pretty severe. To this day if I get hit on the bump on my right knee it kills.

Is your doctor sure that she didn't tear something?

i got the same thing going on right now.

DooSPX
11-01-2006, 07:48 PM
wow! im sorry to hear about your daughter. it has got to be soo painful watching her in pain and not being able to do anything about it.
I hope you can figure out what it is, and get it fixed

TMCNo1
11-01-2006, 08:24 PM
Sorry to hear about her pain. Give her a hug from all of us!

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-01-2006, 10:14 PM
Wow, bummer Milk. I hate to see anyone in pain, especially kids. Children just shouldnt have to suffer, at all. I know she will be in great hands with your concern. From the times I talked to you at Mag Mania, I know your very concerned about your children and she will be cared for by you. Just hang in there man, we are all thinking about ya!:)

milkmania
11-03-2006, 12:47 PM
appointment time

3 hours to go.....

I don't know who's worse.... her or me:o

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-03-2006, 01:10 PM
Hang in there buddy!:)

milkmania
11-03-2006, 10:24 PM
not much to update....
MRI on Thursday

prescribed Valium & Darvocet

got to see my ten year old daughter wasted tonight!:rolleyes:

BriEOD
11-03-2006, 10:55 PM
"tibial tuberosity."

Tibial tubercle when it's intact, the loose part is the tuberocity. My left one was/is in three pieces. Oh, boy.

"The traction of the quad muscle causes a disruption and inflammation in the layers of the pastry. In other words, the femur is growing faster than the quad muscle. The traction of the tight quad mechanism causes the tibial tubercle to pull away from the body of the tibia."

But you know that. I got out of freshman 2nd semester PE in HS because if it. I still try to keep from hitting it, though. I usually fail in that. One of my faves is to hit things with my kneecaps, like engine blocks, car doors and then there's my all-time fave, kneeling on drywall screws.

Jim,

You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge. Is their any subject you cannot speak to intelligently?

BriEOD
11-03-2006, 10:55 PM
not much to update....
MRI on Thursday

prescribed Valium & Darvocet

got to see my ten year old daughter wasted tonight!:rolleyes:
Sorry about your daughter B.

LakePirate
11-03-2006, 10:56 PM
That sucks Milk. I hope she gets better soon. Perhaps some ice cream with darvocet chips will make her feel better.

Leroy
11-04-2006, 12:49 AM
I was thinking MRI is the only way to know what is going on. Both of my son's had bad Osgood-Schlatter and was just a lot of pain.

I have an excellent sports orthopedic sugeon on my oldest son's team that I will see Sunday if this is still going on.

JimN
11-04-2006, 01:38 AM
Brian- the quotes are there because that came from the site I found on google but I have Osgood Schlatter's- it showed up in late 8th grade and freshman year. X-rays, Dr consultations, loads of aspirin, ice, etc. Google is a wonderful thing.

BriEOD
11-04-2006, 09:20 AM
Fair enough Jim...but you are still a resvoir of knowledge my friend.

bigmac
11-04-2006, 10:04 AM
"tibial tuberosity."

Tibial tubercle when it's intact, the loose part is the tuberocity. My left one was/is in three pieces. Oh, boy.

"The traction of the quad muscle causes a disruption and inflammation in the layers of the pastry. In other words, the femur is growing faster than the quad muscle. The traction of the tight quad mechanism causes the tibial tubercle to pull away from the body of the tibia."

But you know that. I got out of freshman 2nd semester PE in HS because if it. I still try to keep from hitting it, though. I usually fail in that. One of my faves is to hit things with my kneecaps, like engine blocks, car doors and then there's my all-time fave, kneeling on drywall screws.
That's a nice description of Osgood Schlatter. Milk's baby is a little young for that and her symptoms don't match, however.

Absent some major (and usually memorable) trauma to the knee, there aren't a lot of things one would expect to go wrong in a 10-year-old's knee - they're pretty solid and 10 years isn't a very long time for wear and tear to have an effect. There are only a few possibilities that I can think of here (I'm not an orthopedic surgeon). All of them should be readily diagnosable via MRI.

The two main reasons for clicking and popping in a 10-year-old's knee are going to be loose body/bodies in the joint, or kneecap alignment problems (as far as I can remember). Plain xrays or exam by your usual Family Practicioner are generally unlikely to make the diagnosis.

Loose bodies can just be there as non-attached fragments of cartilage with no bone in them (therefore can't be seen on ER xray), or they can be the result of fragments of cartilage that come loose as the result of osteochondritis dissecans (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/osteochondritis-dissecans/DS00741).

The other possibility is kneecap misalignment (patellofemoral misalignment). I don't know much about that except that it's usually pretty painful in addition to the clicking and popping. Without actually examining her knee, I can't be much help.

Anyway, just idle speculation - nothing to do about it now except treat the pain with immobility and RICE, and wait for the orthopedist's exam and the MRI results so you can plan a definitive course. I hope she's feeling better by now, Milk.

JimN
11-04-2006, 11:21 AM
The site I quoted from showed that OS usually begins age 10-14 in girls, a little later in boys. The popping is a different matter, just coincidentally unless the tuberocity has dislodged. The patellar tendon is the common link for loose kneecap and OS though, since it links the cap and the tibial tubercle.

Brian- you wouldn't believe the useless crap floating around in my brain. Just ask my friends.

milkmania
11-14-2006, 08:23 PM
no surgery!!!

Bone Bruise
Outside ligament damage, but not to warrant surgery

start physical therapy on Friday..... first day of Thanksgiving break:rolleyes:

her brace had been set to go from 0 to 30 degrees on the last visit... no weight on leg
today, it was moved to travel from 30 to 60 degrees, with moderate weight on leg.

Swelling has gone down considerably.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
11-14-2006, 08:29 PM
Good to hear Milk! glad its not as bad as it could be. SOunds like some phy therapy and she will be good as new. I watched my mom go through physical therapy and know the great benefits it can have for a person. Just tell her to stick with it! Good luck!:)

milkmania
11-14-2006, 08:41 PM
Good to hear Milk! glad its not as bad as it could be. SOunds like some phy therapy and she will be good as new. I watched my mom go through physical therapy and know the great benefits it can have for a person. Just tell her to stick with it! Good luck!:)

she's already asked her Dr. if she can get back to her sit ups

he approved:)

bigmac
11-14-2006, 10:07 PM
she's already asked her Dr. if she can get back to her sit ups

he approved:)

Good news. I'm glad she'll be OK without a lot of complicated medical stuff.

Maristar210
11-14-2006, 10:11 PM
Happy for ya MILK.

:D

Steve

dapicatti
11-15-2006, 12:47 AM
Glad to hear she is doing well!

Workin' 4 Toys
11-15-2006, 09:52 AM
Good news. I'm glad she'll be OK without a lot of complicated medical stuff.
Now that's more like it....A scientist speaking in terms I can understand....;)

I am happy to hear that things are looking up milk....