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yippikaiyay
10-25-2006, 01:06 PM
Thanks to all who contribute to TT - I certainly find it very informative.
I have a question regarding the PS 205 ('97) compared to an X9 (or 209).
I am interested in how the wakes compare for boarding (@21) and for slalom (@32). (presuming the ballast is the same in each).
We do lots of both, but have been told the slalom wake on the X9 won't be as rounded as the 205.
I'd appreciate any feedback from anyone who has skied/rode behind both.
Thanks.....

Diesel
10-25-2006, 01:15 PM
Thanks to all who contribute to TT - I certainly find it very informative.
I have a question regarding the PS 205 ('97) compared to an X9 (or 209).
I am interested in how the wakes compare for boarding (@21) and for slalom (@32). (presuming the ballast is the same in each).
We do lots of both, but have been told the slalom wake on the X9 won't be as rounded as the 205.
I'd appreciate any feedback from anyone who has skied/rode behind both.
Thanks.....

The 205 will have better slalom and boarding wakes.

cdcarve
10-26-2006, 11:05 AM
If the 205's wakes are both better than the 209. What did the 209 gain? Ride quality? Size?

east tx skier
10-26-2006, 11:09 AM
I have not been in one on the water, so I cannot comment on wake or ride. But the 209s are certainly longer and wider. As with all newer boats, there are more creature comforts.

yippikaiyay
10-26-2006, 06:35 PM
cdcarve.....do you slalom very much with your X9???

Diesel
10-26-2006, 10:14 PM
What did the 209 gain? Ride quality? Size?

Yes on both accounts.

I had a 95 205 and the slalom wake of the 209 is huge compared to the 205. You can and will get used to it but it takes time.

For boarding the boat is just too wide. You cannot get the boat down in the water far enough to throw a world class wake. The narrower beam of the 205 would produce an incredible wake with minor ballast. The 209 does throw one of the best surf wakes in the business.

However the open water ride of the 209 is by far the best of any DD I have driven. As I get older and my familly grows ride and space become more and more important so the trade off is worth it IMHO.

99xstar
10-26-2006, 10:35 PM
My buddy has a 209 and I have a 99 xstar (205v). The 205V is able to get a decent wake without much additional ballast. Haven't had time to really weigh it down much. A full tank of gas and 4 adults and we were riding pretty happy the first couple of times we took it out. We used to put ~650 lbs of ballast in the 209 and it would get a decent wake going. I have not slalomed behind either one. He got the 209 for the size factor mostly.

lake
10-27-2006, 09:06 AM
Agree with Diesel. I used to own a 93 205. I just bought a 2002 209 a few weeks ago. The 209 slalom wake at 30-32 is much bigger and will give your ski a kick even if you keep it on edge. After a couple of runs I'm starting to get used to it.

We boat on large lakes and have a growing family and take friends with us. The 209 rough water ride is more like a v-hull runabout. There were times with the 205 that we would stay home because we knew the wind and boat traffic would beat us around. I dont think that will be the case with the 209.

My wife and I have an agreement. We run the 209 all next summer. If we cant get used to the larger wakes then we just trade for a 197. Win/win situation.

corey
10-27-2006, 11:02 AM
The 01' and 02' boats have a bigger slalom wake than the 03'+. Beginning in 2003 a hook was added to the 197 and 209 creating more lift at slalom speeds. Prior to this lift was added using a winged rudder. The amount of lift provided by the winged rudder was not near as great as the hook in the hull.

DanC
10-27-2006, 11:50 AM
For boarding the boat is just too wide. You cannot get the boat down in the water far enough to throw a world class wake. The narrower beam of the 205 would produce an incredible wake with minor ballast. The 209 does throw one of the best surf wakes in the business.


I agree on all your points except for the second sentence. Yes the 209 wakeboard wake is too wide for most boarders but if you shorten the rope it is serviceable for intermediate boarders (once you get over the idea that you are closer to the boat). We are able to get a fantastic wakeboard wake with 2000 lbs of ballast. My system has 1500 lbs hidden and if we don't have a big enough crew we throw two 250 lb fat buddies on the floor. The wake is very comparable to some of the best wakeboard boats out there. Good boarders have no problem landing in the flats even with the wider wake running a 75' line. The wake does not have the kicker at the peak like some wakeboard boats have but the size of the wake and ramp are great. Maybe not world class but certainly expert level.
Unfortunately, the 209 can be tricky to drive with that much weight in it.

yippikaiyay
10-27-2006, 05:57 PM
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it....