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bigmac
10-15-2006, 02:24 PM
Kind of a PITA. I ran into John Dorton at the Mpls Boat Show this past January and in the course of our conversation, I mentioned the problem with tracking black stuff from the rubber decking all over the boat. He arranged for me to get the new, improved, non-tracking (we'll see..) replacement rubber, which the dealer dropped off at my house.

http://mccollister.info/mat.jpg


So, I had to take the old stuff off...

http://mccollister.info/swim platform/1.jpg


...but I wasn't sure how best to glue it back down. I asked MasterCraft and they sent my dealer some of the adhesive they use from Birdsong Adhesives in Tennessee. It's a cyanoacrylate - gives about 8 seconds working time. MasterCraft can't tie up their rubber-mat-installers waiting for glue to cure, I assume.

http://mccollister.info/swim platform/glue.jpg

bigmac
10-15-2006, 02:25 PM
The short working time was problematic, so I did each of the two mats in two sections...

http://mccollister.info/swim platform/2.jpg


That stuff sticks real tight, rubber-to-gelcoat, and it worked well.

http://mccollister.info/swim platform/3.jpg

Sadly, as you can see, the new mat they sent is about 1/8th inch smaller than the original, so I have to lay down some black paint or something around the edges.

I sure hope this new stuff doesn't track black stuff on the white vinyl...


All in all, I have amost as much work into the project as I would if I were refinishing a teak platform...;)

SkiDog
10-15-2006, 03:08 PM
Those motorcycle lifts can come in handy!:D

jakethebt
10-15-2006, 03:16 PM
Wow... that looks really nice. Maybe you could use some black silicon RTV around the edge?

bigmac
10-15-2006, 06:48 PM
Wow... that looks really nice. Maybe you could use some black silicon RTV around the edge?

Excellent idea. I have some 3M polyurethane 5200 Marine Sealant in black I think I'll use. I had thought to use it to glue down the rubber deck - it holds really tight on rubber-to-gelcoat but the cure time is 7 days so I went with the HP300 cyanoacrylate.

beatle78
10-16-2006, 02:51 PM
Did you REALLY pay $150 for glue???????

erkoehler
10-16-2006, 02:57 PM
Did you REALLY pay $150 for glue???????


I think he got the glue free from MC???

TMCNo1
10-16-2006, 05:04 PM
Here ya go beatle78,
I ran into John Dorton at the Mpls Boat Show this past January and in the course of our conversation, I mentioned the problem with tracking black stuff from the rubber decking all over the boat. He arranged for me to get the new, improved, non-tracking (we'll see..) replacement rubber, which the dealer dropped off at my house.
I asked MasterCraft and they sent my dealer some of the adhesive they use from Birdsong Adhesives in Tennessee.

bigmac
10-16-2006, 05:38 PM
I think he got the glue free from MC???I hope so...dealer's working on it with the MC warranty department. If not - anybody need about .998 lbs of HP300 industrial cyanoacrylate? It's a great glue...:D

bigmac
10-18-2006, 08:05 PM
Done with the platform - all I need is my boat back to attach it to.

I put some edge trim (http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-Browse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2008663/p-2008663/N-111+10201+600003824/c-10101) around the lower edge of the platform. I had several chips in the lower edge from my hydrofoil strut hitting it, so I repaired them and put the edging around over the edge and secured with Goop Marine glue. It appears to be pretty high quality - nice heavy, flexible vinyl with internal edge seals and aluminum internally. I'm satisfied that it looks OK.

http://mccollister.info/swim platform/edge2.jpg

http://mccollister.info/swim platform/edge.jpg

jakethebt
10-18-2006, 08:45 PM
That trim looks great! Good idea...

M-Funf
10-19-2006, 12:46 PM
Done with the platform - all I need is my boat back to attach it to.

I put some edge trim (http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-Browse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2008663/p-2008663/N-111+10201+600003824/c-10101) around the lower edge of the platform. I had several chips in the lower edge from my hydrofoil strut hitting it, so I repaired them and put the edging around over the edge and secured with Goop Marine glue.

bigmac,
Where did you get the Goop Marine glue? I have the same trim on the bottom edge of my platform, and it's falling off. I tried silicone adhesive, and it didn't work worth a darn...now I've got to get all that off and try something else...

bigmac
11-08-2006, 02:50 PM
bigmac,
Where did you get the Goop Marine glue? I have the same trim on the bottom edge of my platform, and it's falling off. I tried silicone adhesive, and it didn't work worth a darn...now I've got to get all that off and try something else...I bought it at the hardware store. If it doesn't hold, I'm going to either use my $150 bottle of CA, or I'll use some 3M 5200 polyurethane adhesive.

I highly recommend the 5200 - it really sticks and there is a 24 hour cure time version. I bought a calking-gun tube in black from West Marine. I'd recommend putting the glue down along the inside edge of the platform where it doesn't show - the stuff will tear off the gelcoat if it ever does come off.

Sorry, just saw this post.

east tx skier
11-08-2006, 03:13 PM
For what it's worth, we used the regular old 3M #77 to adhere a bit of foam padding to my father-in-law's zip sled so the kids wouldn't bang their knees up on it. With a good deal of use, submersion and pressure, that stuff has held 100%.

Blair
07-11-2007, 12:39 AM
any updates on how this stuff has worked now that summer is here??? any black marks?

bigmac
07-11-2007, 12:49 AM
any updates on how this stuff has worked now that summer is here??? any black marks?Yes, still with the black marks, but not nearly as bad as with the original stuff. Next winter, Gator grip or something...Maybe that HydroTurf stuff.

I wish I'd have thought to cut out a template from the "new" stuff MasterCraft sent me.

I will say that the edge molding completely eliminated the chipping of the gel coat from my hydrofoil strut. I think that stuff is a must-have for anyone with a fiberglass platform.

TMCNo1
07-11-2007, 11:50 AM
Done with the platform - all I need is my boat back to attach it to.

I put some edge trim (http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-Browse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2008663/p-2008663/N-111+10201+600003824/c-10101) around the lower edge of the platform. I had several chips in the lower edge from my hydrofoil strut hitting it, so I repaired them and put the edging around over the edge and secured with Goop Marine glue. It appears to be pretty high quality - nice heavy, flexible vinyl with internal edge seals and aluminum internally. I'm satisfied that it looks OK.

http://mccollister.info/swim platform/edge2.jpg

http://mccollister.info/swim platform/edge.jpg


I should have seen this and posted this a long time ago, but here is the nations premier company for plastic/vinyl trim pieces, Trim-Lok, http://www.trimlok.com/
They make just about anything you could ask for!

Monte
07-11-2007, 12:03 PM
I should have seen this and posted this a long time ago, but here is the nations premier company for rubber vunyl trim pieces, Trim-Lok, http://www.trimlok.com/
They make just about anything you could ask for!


Holy teak batman!


Harold I just saw a post you made with a picture of a fiberglass platform in it!:eek3: :uglyhamme

viabill
07-11-2007, 07:32 PM
Does anyone know what the black rubber mat material is that MC uses? I need to cover the textured platform on my BF 190, and don't want to accidentally get something that won't last or will track like BigMac's original did.
I'm assuming that MC only sells the stuff pre-cut for the boats that came with it originally. Mine came as bare gelcoat, so I don't think they would have a pattern.

bigmac
07-11-2007, 08:01 PM
I should have seen this and posted this a long time ago, but here is the nations premier company for rubber vunyl trim pieces, Trim-Lok, http://www.trimlok.com/
They make just about anything you could ask for!

I saw them on the web when I was shopping the stuff, but they only sold it in 250 ft lengths as far as I could see. The stuff I bought at JC Whitney (I generally hate buying from them) is sold in 20 foot lengths for about $15. Very high quality stuff. Metal reinforced and grips tight, it's held up on the edge of my platform VERY well despite pretty rough use - looks good, not coming off etc. If I'm not mistaken, the stuff JCW sells is Trim-Lok.

bigmac
07-11-2007, 08:06 PM
Does anyone know what the black rubber mat material is that MC uses? I need to cover the textured platform on my BF 190, and don't want to accidentally get something that won't last or will track like BigMac's original did.
I'm assuming that MC only sells the stuff pre-cut for the boats that came with it originally. Mine came as bare gelcoat, so I don't think they would have a pattern.

Mine rubber decking was/is VERY durable, but there's that black-stuff tracking problem, and it's not very comfortable to kneel on. I really like the looks of that HydroTurf stuff. It looks softer and appears to be some kind of vinyl rather than rubber.

I must confess...I haven't ruled out the possiblity that the black from this new rubber stuff is exhaust residue. When I first put it on, it didn't track at all...now it does, and I note that the boat's transom shows some soot too.

TMCNo1
07-11-2007, 08:12 PM
I saw them on the web when I was shopping the stuff, but they only sold it in 250 ft lengths as far as I could see. The stuff I bought at JC Whitney (I generally hate buying from them) is sold in 20 foot lengths for about $15. Very high quality stuff. Metal reinforced and grips tight, it's held up on the edge of my platform VERY well despite pretty rough use - looks good, not coming off etc. If I'm not mistaken, the stuff JCW sells is Trim-Lok.
Thats basically the distributor lengths. I have a guy here in town who supplies new/used car dealers and detailers and used car clean up shops with all kinds of supplies for refurbishing vehicles for resale and he sells it to me by the foot, that he gets from his distributor in 1 day. I got a catalogue for Trim-Lok from him, just last week.
Anything you need off of their website, he will ship ppd, call Johnny Wooten Automotive, 1-336-759-2120, talk to Johnny, Tim or Vaughn. Tell them I told you to call.

TMCNo1
07-11-2007, 08:19 PM
Holy teak batman!


Harold I just saw a post you made with a picture of a fiberglass platform in it!:eek3: :uglyhamme



I'm just like a traveling tent evangelist, trying to win some sinners over where I can and just trying to help the rest,:uglyhamme

bigmac
07-11-2007, 08:33 PM
Thats basically the distributor lengths. I have a guy here in town who supplies new/used car dealers and detailers and used car clean up shops with all kinds of supplies for refurbishing vehicles for resale and he sells it to me by the foot, that he gets from his distributor in 1 day. I got a catalogue for Trim-Lok from him, just last week.
Anything you need off of their website, he will ship ppd, call Johnny Wooten Automotive, 1-336-759-2120, talk to Johnny, Tim or Vaughn. Tell them I told you to call.

Hmmm....calling and ordering something by telephone - that seems so...yesterday. I'm too much the nerd. I like the comfort I derive from hurling my credit card info through cyberspace into some unknown server somewhere and the gratification I derive from the beeps my mail program makes when the order confirmation and shipping info arrive. And I especially like the bucketloads of SPAM that inevitably result from every order I place with JC Whitney.

TMCNo1
07-11-2007, 08:44 PM
Hmmm....calling and ordering something by telephone - that seems so...yesterday. I'm too much the nerd. I like the comfort I derive from hurling my credit card info through cyberspace into some unknown server somewhere and the gratification I derive from the beeps my mail program makes when the order confirmation and shipping info arrive. And I especially like the bucketloads of SPAM that inevitably result from every order I place with JC Whitney.


:uglyhamme You had me frowning there for a sentance or 3! That was great!