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6ballsisall
10-09-2006, 08:56 PM
I tried to long line behind my ski partners Tige 2002flsm tonight w/ 265hp 1:1. The boat tops out at 37 mph. I had no idea how much slower out of the hull it was in comparison to my old MCX X7. Not even on the same playing field. Needless to say I drank a ton of water. Never got out of the 3 point stance :(

Roonie's
10-09-2006, 09:03 PM
You think thats bad......... I grew up skiing behind a 165 hp I/O. Talk about drinking the lake. I had to take a deep breath and hold it for a good minute or more. I became really good at dock starts but it also taught me to get up out of the hole on anything slalom. My brother is 6'6 and 240 pounds and he drank the lake behind this everytime. It also stressed his muscles a lot.

ski_king
10-09-2006, 09:08 PM
I learned to deepwater barefoot behind a 100 hp outboard back in the good old days. I drank enough river and lake water to mess up my sinus for a lifetime.
I could only imagine what 350 hp would be like.

beatle78
10-09-2006, 09:11 PM
hey, grew up behind a 135HP 4 cyl I/O here......... fortunately, I newver had a dual boot ski so I left my "rudder" out until the boat got going:smile:

6ballsisall
10-09-2006, 09:14 PM
Let me rephrase here. I to grew up behind a 115hp (block rated) Merc outboard runabout. BUT I wasn't footin behind it! My initial post was about trying to long line foot behind said boat. I think alot is the boat. I KNOW my old 86' w/ the 240hp had WAY more giddyup then this Tige.

I am sure some of it was me, given I am a noob longliner. :rolleyes:

Hoosier Bob
10-09-2006, 09:28 PM
I get it! One of those points was your arse!8p

Laurel_Lake_Skier
10-09-2006, 09:40 PM
I to grew up behind a 115hp (block rated) Merc outboard runabout. BUT I wasn't footin behind it!
When I find a good spot (long stretches of calm water) that I can't get the MC into, I still get out footin behind my 15' Whaler with a 70 Merc. The deepwaters take a little while but once up, it has one heck of a flat wake and will pull at 40mph!

ctkiteboarding
10-09-2006, 10:04 PM
glastron gt 160 w/ a 115 rude ,,, fun boat , skiing was the main task,, footing started w my buddy and his glastron carlson cv 180/ w a 200 rude both nice boats in thier day ,, R

east tx skier
10-10-2006, 10:08 AM
By 2002, 265 was underpowered presuming the wetted surface increase on the Tiges tracked the increase that took place among other brands. From your experience, sounds like that's definitely the case.

jbfootin
10-10-2006, 10:31 AM
I started out learning how to barefoot behind a 75hp outboard. After a summer of faceplants my dad traded in the 75 for a 115 hp. Skied behind that till I was old enough and had enough in the bank to get my first 1988 MC PS190 8 years ago.

What doesn't kill you will make you stronger...or at least a beter skier with more appreciation for MC HP!:)

Bert
10-10-2006, 06:31 PM
By 2002, 265 was underpowered presuming the wetted surface increase on the Tiges tracked the increase that took place among other brands. From your experience, sounds like that's definitely the case.
East tx, what do you mean by "265 was underpowered presuming the wetted surface increase" ? Does that mean that the older hulls with less wetted surface and HP feel the same as the new Hulls with more HP?

trickskier
10-10-2006, 07:15 PM
I learned to deepwater barefoot behind a 100 hp outboard back in the good old days. I drank enough river and lake water to mess up my sinus for a lifetime.
I could only imagine what 350 hp would be like.

Same here Ski, I think that's why I just had to have sinus surgery last week! NOT FUN at ALL......Can't taste my Cutty & H2o right now! :(

SDAhockey21
10-10-2006, 07:59 PM
Man i grew up sking on a 20 ft bayliner with a 125 mercury outboard. My dad was the only person able to start it, you had to have the "special touch" as we called it. But sure enough i learned to ski, kneeboard, and even learn how to handle the "Skurfer", if any of your guys remmber that it was like the first ever wakeboard. Still have it to. I never knew of anything called a Mastercraft. I knew the bayliner was crapy but i didn't know how crapy! It was until we bought our first mastercraft and of course i was hooked just like all you guys!! Never skied on anything else since.

jbfootin
10-11-2006, 09:50 AM
East tx, what do you mean by "265 was underpowered presuming the wetted surface increase" ? Does that mean that the older hulls with less wetted surface and HP feel the same as the new Hulls with more HP?
My '88 ps190 was only 265 HP and it would pull 2 or 3 barefooters no problem, but my 2001 19Skier with 310HP is much faster out of the hole. But the 19Skier I think is the same as the old PS190s. I have been behind PS197 with the 310 HP and I would say the are marginally beter than my old 265HP. Just my $.02

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 09:51 AM
2 days after the attempt my sinuses are still screwed up!! :rolleyes: Think I'll get me a BIG BLOCK or an outboard for my next MC. :D

sizzler
10-11-2006, 10:26 AM
sinuses.........DONT NEED NO STINKIN' SINUSES.......


mine are permanently blocked jeff

sanjuan23
10-11-2006, 10:30 AM
2 days after the attempt my sinuses are still screwed up!! :rolleyes: Think I'll get me a BIG BLOCK or an outboard for my next MC. :D

Here ya go Jeff!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1980-MasterCraft-Outboard-Barefoot-Boat_W0QQitemZ200034310449QQihZ010QQcategoryZ63686 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 10:32 AM
Here ya go Jeff!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1980-MasterCraft-Outboard-Barefoot-Boat_W0QQitemZ200034310449QQihZ010QQcategoryZ63686 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

nah.....not enough HP and to much $$ Cool ride though!! :cool:

sanjuan23
10-11-2006, 10:39 AM
Yeah I had to question the V6 outboard as well. But I thought it would be a start.

east tx skier
10-11-2006, 10:46 AM
East tx, what do you mean by "265 was underpowered presuming the wetted surface increase" ? Does that mean that the older hulls with less wetted surface and HP feel the same as the new Hulls with more HP?

"Feel" the same is tricky. My experience behind a 197 with an MCX and a 1:1 is admittedly limited. But for the most part, from a skier's perspective, it didn't feel a whole lot different out of the hole. But so much of that depends on who is driving. The hardest my arms have ever been yanked was behind a 98 205 with the 308 hp TBI. But that's another story.

If I remember correctly, the 197 with 350 hp and a 1:1 will beat my 13 year old boat to 36 mph by about 1 second or just a little less (I think I recall the 0-36 time of the 197 with that setup being about 6.7 seconds). By comparison, a 1993 190 with 285 hp and a 1:1 would beat that boat by a fraction of a second (6.3 seconds according to water ski mag's review of a 1993 S&S).

My statement was more directed at top end. The newer boats with the hook are exhibiting a good deal more drag apparently. I will get around 45.5 mph at 4,600 rpms (that's even before the intake upgrade on my boat). A newer 197 with a 1:1 and MCX tends to hit 43 or 44 at WOT if memory serves (need to revisit Pendo's thread to be sure).

ntidsl
10-11-2006, 10:49 AM
yeah...out of the hole is tough to judge...I have never floor my 197 tt with reduced tranny and mcx engine to get a skier out of the water and couldnt imagine what it would do to the skier...I ease the throttle up to get my skier up...

east tx skier
10-11-2006, 10:52 AM
Gear reduction is a whole different game as far as out of the hole is concerned. The 197 in the 2003 WSM guide (1.5:1) had a 0--36 time of 5.0 seconds. With gear reduction, who needs horsepower? ;) If I didn't care about AWSA approved towboat (for club use reasons), I'd hypothetically be happy as a clam withe the predator and a slot in one of the newer boats.

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 10:57 AM
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My statement was more directed at top end. The newer boats with the hook are exhibiting a good deal more drag apparently. I will get around 45.5 mph at 4,600 rpms (that's even before the intake upgrade on my boat). A newer 197 with a 1:1 and MCX tends to hit 43 or 44 at WOT if memory serves (need to revisit Pendo's thread to be sure).


El wrongo. My MCX X7 w/ a Acme 3 blade CNC had no problems doing 48.3 MPH (on GPS) consistently w/ me, wife and daughter. On it's fairwell test drive it did 46 w/ me and 4 others in it with the stock OJ prop.

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 10:58 AM
yeah...out of the hole is tough to judge...I have never floor my 197 tt with reduced tranny and mcx engine to get a skier out of the water and couldnt imagine what it would do to the skier...I ease the throttle up to get my skier up...

I'll come foot on your lake. I like my starts HOT so you can open er up with me if you like. :D

ntidsl
10-11-2006, 11:14 AM
dude...you are insane...but okay...as long as you pull me through the course before I rip your shoulders out of socket

east tx skier
10-11-2006, 11:14 AM
El wrongo. My MCX X7 w/ a Acme 3 blade CNC had no problems doing 48.3 MPH (on GPS) consistently w/ me, wife and daughter. On it's fairwell test drive it did 46 w/ me and 4 others in it with the stock OJ prop.

I said 197. I've not ridden in one of them wakeboard boats. ;)

Jeff, were you using GPS to get that speed. (edit, just reread your post. You were.)

Check out the numbers in Pendo's thread (http://tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=11251). I've never understood it when people say that something is the exception that proves the rule, which is why I'm not saying that now. I know Pendo has a few feet in altitude on some of those guys to be fair. But look at Ric. 43.3 mph at 4,775 rpm. But even if top speed is within a mph or so, getting back to my original statement, there is a good deal of horsepower required to achieve that, verdad Sr. Speedy?

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 11:18 AM
I said 197. I've not ridden in one of them wakeboard boats. ;)

Jeff, were you using GPS to get that speed. (edit, just reread your post. You were.)

Check out the numbers in Pendo's thread (http://tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=11251). I've never understood it when people say that something is the exception that proves the rule, which is why I'm not saying that now. I know Pendo has a few feet in altitude on some of those guys to be fair. But even if top speed is within a mph or so, getting back to the original statement, there is a good deal of horsepower required to achieve that, ?verdad?

Yep I blame the prop. Those CNC props are SO much better IMO than the stock jobbies. I think once Pendo gets that custom CNC Acme on his g-ride he will have a new tune to sing. ;)

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 11:19 AM
dude...you are insane...but okay...as long as you pull me through the course before I rip your shoulders out of socket


bring it on!!! :D

ntidsl
10-11-2006, 11:19 AM
dont you worry about that jeff character...he's thinking about mounting a gps/mapquest/satellite radio/cell phone mp3 player in his head so he can start his search for his new boat he'll have for 3 days before he sells it

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 11:20 AM
dont you worry about that jeff character...he's thinking about mounting a gps/mapquest/satellite radio/cell phone mp3 player in his head so he can start his search for his new boat he'll have for 3 days before he sells it

touche:rolleyes:

east tx skier
10-11-2006, 11:21 AM
Yep I blame the prop. Those CNC props are SO much better IMO than the stock jobbies. I think once Pendo gets that custom CNC Acme on his g-ride he will have a new tune to sing. ;)

Even though the stockers are CNC'd as well. What are you saying? :)

Let's also remember that we're talking 3 blade versus 4 blade. That said, you appear to be getting a lot more on top than most I'd say.

ntidsl
10-11-2006, 11:22 AM
i dont want to go 50 in my boat...i dont even like going WOT...for a few reason...gas and man these boats arent that big...one mechanical failure going at 47, and dude...davey jones locker man...36 is as fast as I need to go...how fast do you go when you foot?

east tx skier
10-11-2006, 11:25 AM
i dont want to go 50 in my boat...i dont even like going WOT...for a few reason...gas and man these boats arent that big...one mechanical failure going at 47, and dude...davey jones locker man...36 is as fast as I need to go...how fast do you go when you foot?

Agreed. WOT is disconcerting to say the least. All this nonsense stemmed from the fact that Tige apparently offered a 265 hp boat in 2002 which didn't have a lot of get-up. My contention being that if you put 265 horses under the hood of a new MC, results would be quite similar. The newer boats have more wetted surface and require more muscle to push them through the water comparing horsepower, accelleration, and top end in older boats with that required to push the newer ones.

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 11:39 AM
Even though the stockers are CNC'd as well. What are you saying? :)

Let's also remember that we're talking 3 blade versus 4 blade. That said, you appear to be getting a lot more on top than most I'd say.

The stock prop on my 03' X7 wasn't CNC. Maybe they were a few years later??? :confused:

6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 11:41 AM
i dont want to go 50 in my boat...i dont even like going WOT...for a few reason...gas and man these boats arent that big...one mechanical failure going at 47, and dude...davey jones locker man...36 is as fast as I need to go...how fast do you go when you foot?


39-40 is nice. I am 6' 185 lbs. size 11 shoe.

Funny....I always felt comfortable in mine at that speed. These things are well built.

LakePirate
10-11-2006, 11:41 AM
Perhaps Erk will know what prop comes stock....

east tx skier
10-11-2006, 11:44 AM
The stock prop on my 03' X7 wasn't CNC. Maybe they were a few years later??? :confused:

Correct. It was around 04 or 05 that they came standard with the XMP. Of course, then diameter and pitch started changing, too.

pilot02
10-11-2006, 12:23 PM
39-40 is nice. I am 6' 185 lbs. size 11 shoe.

Funny....I always felt comfortable in mine at that speed. These things are well built.

No doubt about that from what I remember of the dock accident. Anyone heard any more news related to that??

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6ballsisall
10-11-2006, 12:24 PM
No doubt about that from what I remember of the dock accident. Anyone heard any more news related to that??

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What dock incident????

ntidsl
10-11-2006, 12:57 PM
the one in florida that involved the mc dealer in a 197?