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boatless
09-29-2006, 07:07 PM
My boat is on a lift, so every time I fill up the boat with one of those red 5 gallon gas tank, it spill all over the side of the boat. Does not matter how hard I try to be careful. Before I could insert the nozel the fuel would come out so fast and spray all over the side of the boat. I hope that they make these gas tank more user friendly. You guy have a better way of doing it, please do share your info.

boatless.

Bruce
09-29-2006, 07:15 PM
As you can see from my thread fuel is problem. I am still doing the 5 gal. deal and had same problems as you. I found a large open mouth funnel with that and the ventless gas can I can do it without spilling. It also helps if you don't fill the can quite all the way. This gives you a little tilting room. Hope this helps
Bruce

Andrť
09-29-2006, 07:16 PM
I used a large funnel for the last 4 years and put 525 hrs in those 4 years ,so my second summer sport is carrying and pouring gas in the boat wich sit on a lift too.
Aside from couples of drops that can splash out once on 20 times,never had a major mess.Just have to be cautious i guess.
Go with a large funnel,mine got a screen that won't let water drops go through.

bigmac
09-29-2006, 07:18 PM
My boat is on a lift, so every time I fill up the boat with one of those red 5 gallon gas tank, it spill all over the side of the boat. Does not matter how hard I try to be careful. Before I could insert the nozel the fuel would come out so fast and spray all over the side of the boat. I hope that they make these gas tank more user friendly. You guy have a better way of doing it, please do share your info.

boatless.

Lots of options..from this

http://www.overtons.com/graphics/products/medium/30232M.jpg........to this.......http://www.overtons.com/graphics/products/medium/75690M.jpg

Look here (http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/order/items2.cgi?request=aisle&catnum=2C4E)for a rather substantial list.

My boat has a 60 gallon gas tank and my lift puts the filler cap on the opposite side from the dock. No way am I going to try to fill that sucker from 5 gallon cans.

My own solution is this 150 gallon tank with 12 volt fuel pump and auto shut-off nozzle. I bought the tank, installed the pump, and built the trailer from parts salvaged from an old snowmobile trailer. The local gas company comes out to fill it every couple of weeks at pump price, or if necessary I can haul it behind my truck to the gas station to fill it from the pump.

http://www.pbase.com/hmac/image/63056378.jpg

nuckinfutz
09-29-2006, 07:42 PM
Boatless,
Would this work for you? If so you can get these at just about any Motorcycle shop. We use them for MX dirtbikes due to the fact its easy to hold the tank in one hand and bend the hose into the tank an then lift. My suggestion though, get the clear one (pictured) instead of the colored ones Its hard to see how much fuel is in there when your filling it up. Also, you can get a longer fill hose for them at Home depot if you need.
http://www.telcon-solutions.com/Boat/gascan.jpg

Never2old
09-29-2006, 07:52 PM
I spend quite a bit of time on a house boat which I end up hauling gas cans to keep the ski boat moving, I just use a 3/8" siphon line with a primer bulb. Takes a little longer but doesn't make any kind of mess.

88 PS190
09-29-2006, 08:22 PM
From the dock you use a piece of line run into the tank filler up to either A. the post of your shorestation, or similar, onto that you attach a 4 inch hard PVC tube that necks down to the diameter of the line you run to your boat at one end. It takes no big skill to pour into a 4" diameter hole...

east tx skier
09-29-2006, 10:40 PM
It also helps if you don't fill the can quite all the way.

This, and keep a towel around the opening.

They also make a siphon pump that attaches to 5 gallon cans. Keep it higher than the fuel opening and give it a couple of squeezes and hold. Much slower than just pouring though.

Whoops, it's been posted. That's what I get for not reading.

AIRCANX09
09-29-2006, 11:41 PM
The process I use never spills a drop. Buy 4' or 1" or less plastic tubing. Place 1 end in your gas tank and the other on the opening of the gas container. With your hand, seal off the remaining opened area of the gas can and blow a short burst of air into the air release opening (small opening ) in the jerry can. The air pressure forces into the can forces the gas up through the plastic tubing and into the boat. I usually place the gas can on the sun deck of the boat, after I covered with a chunk of plastic carpet runner for protection.

Datdude
09-30-2006, 11:37 AM
Lots of options..from this

http://www.overtons.com/graphics/products/medium/30232M.jpg........to this.......http://www.overtons.com/graphics/products/medium/75690M.jpg

Look here (http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/order/items2.cgi?request=aisle&catnum=2C4E)for a rather substantial list.

My boat has a 60 gallon gas tank and my lift puts the filler cap on the opposite side from the dock. No way am I going to try to fill that sucker from 5 gallon cans.

My own solution is this 150 gallon tank with 12 volt fuel pump and auto shut-off nozzle. I bought the tank, installed the pump, and built the trailer from parts salvaged from an old snowmobile trailer. The local gas company comes out to fill it every couple of weeks at pump price, or if necessary I can haul it behind my truck to the gas station to fill it from the pump.

http://www.pbase.com/hmac/image/63056378.jpg



Is that trailer legal? I thought gas containers had to be red? That is a great idea.....especially with a nice shoreline that allows easy access with your tractor.

bigmac
09-30-2006, 12:14 PM
Is that trailer legal? I thought gas containers had to be red? That is a great idea.....especially with a nice shoreline that allows easy access with your tractor.

I can't imagine that it's even remotely legal to haul on the road. I'm sure it's unsafe in that circumstance, let alone the fact that it's not licensed (not even licensable, I'm sure). In an emergency situation, I occasionally haul it to a gas station a couple of block from here on a back road, but a local oil company delivers gas to it within two days of a phone call, so it's not usually a problem with a little planning. I suspect I could make it legal, somehow, and license it, but it's not worth it since 99% of the time it only gets hauled across my yard. The pump is a standard 12 volt fuel pump with an auto-shutoff nozzle, and it runs off a 12 volt battery mounted on the tongue that I keep on a float charger 24/7. The pump pushes 15 gpm, so it'll put 40-50 gallons of gas in the boat in just a few minutes. The oil company charges me current pump price and no delivery fee. They have me listed as a marina since I use it for three boats, therefore I can get premium no-ethanol, which they're otherwise not supposed to deliver to a private residence. It doesn't have to be red as long as it's labeled "gasoline". I built the thing more than 10 years ago - it's been a tremendous convenience, not to mention avoiding paying marina gasoline prices.

http://www.pbase.com/hmac/image/63056377.jpg

SD190EVO
09-30-2006, 12:26 PM
Gas containers do not have to be red. They need to be labeled if you take them on the highway.

kdr
09-30-2006, 08:01 PM
I use a 1 inch clear hose that is attached to a very large funnel. I can stuff the tubing down the fuel fill. Cost about $10 to make and I never spill a drop.

milkmania
09-30-2006, 10:06 PM
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/45600-45699/45675.gif (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45675)

click the pic

Blair
09-30-2006, 10:14 PM
this is what we use
http://www.scepter.com/gcimages/products/duramax_detail.jpg

http://www.scepter.com/gc/gc_item.exe?F=D&K=06792&R=H%2FCatalog%3AFlo%20N'%20Go&SN=093021121219853207200119&FF=H&FK=Catalog:Flo%20N'%20Go&Z9=0

14 gallons and a siphon pump that works great... at 2 gallons per minute its quick to fill the boat too

we have 3 of em for filling the boat off of the side of the dock, not once have we ever had a spill...

bigmac
09-30-2006, 11:57 PM
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/45600-45699/45675.gif (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45675)

click the pic

Mine's red (http://www.nationaltoolwarehouse.com/xq/asp/prodid.12551/TID./qx/product.htm), but same company. Those things are bulletproof. It's been sitting outside in all weather for more than 10 years - works like a champ

http://images.nationaltoolwarehouse.com/images/Product_Images/FIL/FIL-FR1210C.jpg

uncleboo
10-01-2006, 12:01 AM
The worst thing about those 5 gallon tanks is having to carry them from the house to the dock down a steep hill. :)

Leroy
10-01-2006, 12:18 AM
I remember someone posting a picture of their setup and it looked pretty neat!

Seemed like several people were using this.

From the dock you use a piece of line run into the tank filler up to either A. the post of your shorestation, or similar, onto that you attach a 4 inch hard PVC tube that necks down to the diameter of the line you run to your boat at one end. It takes no big skill to pour into a 4" diameter hole...

Davo
10-01-2006, 12:55 AM
Just be carefull and go slow...I use the regular cans you'd buy at a hardware store and I don't spill nuthin'. I'll also run out and get 15 gallons when I'm at 1/2 full so I don't have to go from E to F.

jimmer2880
10-02-2006, 07:41 AM
this is what we use
http://www.scepter.com/gcimages/products/duramax_detail.jpg

http://www.scepter.com/gc/gc_item.exe?F=D&K=06792&R=H%2FCatalog%3AFlo%20N'%20Go&SN=093021121219853207200119&FF=H&FK=Catalog:Flo%20N'%20Go&Z9=0

14 gallons and a siphon pump that works great... at 2 gallons per minute its quick to fill the boat too

we have 3 of em for filling the boat off of the side of the dock, not once have we ever had a spill...

I use the cans like nuckinfutz uses. 5 gallons in 40 seconds. It's not 100% dropless, but almost (I can usually count the drops).

Blair
10-03-2006, 02:14 AM
I use the cans like nuckinfutz uses. 5 gallons in 40 seconds. It's not 100% dropless, but almost (I can usually count the drops).

yeah but i dont have to lift mine, and it has wheels to get it to and from the end of the dock, i dont have to carry it at all :D :D :D

fletch_n_me
10-03-2006, 02:35 AM
Bigmac,

Quit your job and build those for every person on this site. I want one so badly it hurts! I am doing the 20 gallon dolly system and t'aint cutting it with an MC, 3 Sea Doos, 26' pontoon, fishing boat and a sail boat. I am telling you, this is your calling buddy! I will buy one sight-unseen!

jimmer2880
10-03-2006, 07:39 AM
yeah but i dont have to lift mine, and it has wheels to get it to and from the end of the dock, i dont have to carry it at all :D :D

I do wish I could use one of those big @ss cans on wheels. I have eyed them for years, trying to figure out a way it would work for me. But - I have a 20' tall bank to wheel it down over. While getting it down won't be a problem, stopping it at the bottom would be :rolleyes:. Or - I'd end up with a 50' hose. Either way - not a good solution for my situation. :mad:

bigmac
10-03-2006, 08:42 AM
I do wish I could use one of those big @ss cans on wheels. I have eyed them for years, trying to figure out a way it would work for me. But - I have a 20' tall bank to wheel it down over. While getting it down won't be a problem, stopping it at the bottom would be :rolleyes:. Or - I'd end up with a 50' hose. Either way - not a good solution for my situation. :mad:

I have 50 ft of fuel hose on the tank and pump that I built. The boat is 70 ft away from the shore when it sits on the lift. I have to dock my boat closer to shore to fill it, so I plan on adding another 20 feet or so to it so I can fuel it in the lift. I haven't gotten around to that yet.

3/4 I.D. fuel hose costs about $35 for a 20 foot section, so you could have your 50 feet of hose for about $100 and the boat would fill by gravity with your tank on your bank - a drop like that would mean avoiding the $200 12-volt pump.

I'm trying to justify spending the $$$ to get a hose and reel so I don't have to coil and uncoil 50 feet of hose. Those reels are very cool, but with the hose, they cost almost $500.

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/109569_lg.gif

Eagle
10-03-2006, 03:07 PM
I use the flo n' go pump from Overtons.


http://www.overtons.com/graphics/products/medium/74915M.jpg
http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=74915&fcat=2C4E

It's a bit slow but easy.

Eagle
10-03-2006, 03:12 PM
Blair, seems like the 14g can though would be heavy to lift into and out of the car to fill. I use two 6g cans with the same pump.

zepdog
10-03-2006, 03:20 PM
I use the: stick one end of the 2' clear hose in the tank and the other end in the gas can then blow into the breather vent and my 87 will suck up 10 gallons in 30 seconds without spilling a drop. Cost of hose about $2 at home depot.

VTJC
10-03-2006, 03:42 PM
Bigmac, I realize the company is charging you for delivery, but should it be less than pump price since itís for off-road use, ie no road tax. That second pic makes you look like a marina with all those boats.

bigmac
10-03-2006, 03:47 PM
Bigmac, I realize the company is charging you for delivery, but should it be less than pump price since itís for off-road use, ie no road tax. That second pic makes you look like a marina with all those boats.

I checked into that. The gas dealer has to sell it with state and federal taxes. It used to be that you could keep track of your off-road gasoline and take it as taxes paid on your income tax, but that's no longer allowed in Minnesota, according to my CPA.

trickskier
10-03-2006, 04:00 PM
Hey Bigmac,
With all those boats in your backyard how long does 150 gallons last??

justinlkgb
10-03-2006, 05:10 PM
I had this same problem with 2 boats. My solution was to not dispense gas when the boat was near the highest point. Crank your ride down and fill when it it is somewhat level, cheapest way, or buy one of those hand pumps.:twocents:

bigmac
10-03-2006, 05:16 PM
Hey Bigmac,
With all those boats in your backyard how long does 150 gallons last??

I usually have to have the tank filled every couple of weeks, depending on whether or not my kids are up for the weekend, holidays etc.

$450 worth of gasoline is just a phone call away....:rolleyes:

trickskier
10-03-2006, 05:24 PM
I usually have to have the tank filled every couple of weeks, depending on whether or not my kids are up for the weekend, holidays etc.

$450 worth of gasoline is just a phone call away....:rolleyes:

Oh well, it's only MONEY!!.....By the way, nice setup on the portable tank.

boatless
10-04-2006, 10:29 AM
Hey Guys,

Thanks for all the info. I think I am going to get one of those pump for my tank.

boatless.

Blair
10-04-2006, 10:31 AM
Blair, seems like the 14g can though would be heavy to lift into and out of the car to fill. I use two 6g cans with the same pump.


you know whats really weird... when they tell you to take the cans out of the back of the truck and you threaten to take your 3-14gallon tanks and 5 - 5Gallon tanks to another gas station and spend your $400 somewhere else they usually dont say much else... :D

plywood liner in the truck box... actually seems safer than filling the truck up to me... and in al reality less chance of spillage than when on the ground... i can usually talk the new people at the gas station into letting me leave them in the truck, and the ones that have been there a while dont even question it anymore :D (i go to the same station every week so they know me)

bigmac
10-04-2006, 11:43 AM
you know whats really weird... when they tell you to take the cans out of the back of the truck and you threaten to take your 3-14gallon tanks and 5 - 5Gallon tanks to another gas station and spend your $400 somewhere else they usually dont say much else... :D

plywood liner in the truck box... actually seems safer than filling the truck up to me... and in al reality less chance of spillage than when on the ground... i can usually talk the new people at the gas station into letting me leave them in the truck, and the ones that have been there a while dont even question it anymore :D (i go to the same station every week so they know me)

If they (or you) are concerned about static-induced fire (disproved by Mythbusters IIRC :) ) Then you could just get 5 or 6 feet of small-gauge steel cable and put some cheap clamps on either end to ground the tank while filling it.

Bruce
10-04-2006, 01:26 PM
Mac. There is a problem with filling cans with pickup trucks with bed liners. I can give you numerous sources for this. Just did not want any one to think otherwise.

bigmac
10-04-2006, 01:47 PM
Mac. There is a problem with filling cans with pickup trucks with bed liners. I can give you numerous sources for this. Just did not want any one to think otherwise.

Yeah, I maybe misremembering that episode - maybe it was the cell phone myth I'm thinking of. Anyway, theoretical or not, appropriate grounding should eliminate the issue of filling a plastic gas tank in a plastic bed liner.

Bruce
10-04-2006, 02:27 PM
Yeah the myth was with the cell phones. I had guessed that was what you were thinking about. Did not want to make it an issue but as a firefighter I know somefolks will push it to the limit if they think it is a little bit o.k. Enjoy all your post. You are a very knowledgable gentleman.

Jorski
10-04-2006, 03:19 PM
I use one of these. they replace the standard spout on any 5 gallon plastic can.

It doesn't pour until the top half of the spout is compressed. This is great as it allows the can to be completely inverted without spilling.


http://www.scepter.com/gcimages/zoom/marine4.jpg


This company makes them:

Scepter

http://www.scepter.com/gc/gc_page.exe?F=F&K=Marine&R=&SN=1004141227192139716968&FF=F&FK=DesignMold&Z9=0