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harba
09-23-2006, 10:24 PM
Anyone know what oil filter and spark plugs, that can be purchased at a general automotive store, will work in a MCX 5.7L EFI 350 GM V8 from a 2004 tournament team Prostar 197? Thanks.

Farmer Ted
09-23-2006, 10:38 PM
Anyone know what oil filter and spark plugs, that can be purchased at a general automotive store, will work in a MCX 5.7L EFI 350 GM V8 from a 2004 tournament team Prostar 197? Thanks.


you can get the correct spark plugs from any parts store, you may have to wait a week or two if they don't have them on hand.

Not sure what the MCX uses but the LT1 uses MR43-LTS and they were cheaper than buying a set for a car.

Look in your owners manual and see what it recommends.

As far as oil filters, check the manual and cross it to a Wix here;
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/index.asp

harba
09-23-2006, 10:45 PM
None of the auto parts stores can match the part number in the manual given for the sparks plugs (AC MR43LTST) and there is no part number for the oil filter it just says it needs to be 2.5 to 3 quarts for a 1.5:1 transmission.

Farmer Ted
09-23-2006, 10:50 PM
None of the auto parts stores can match the part number in the manual given for the sparks plugs (AC MR43LTST) and there is no part number for the oil filter it just says it needs to be 2.5 to 3 quarts for a 1.5:1 transmission.

the plugs are the same, Auto-Zone, O'Riellys, ABC Auto Parts or NAPA should be able to order them.
or you can get them online
http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/ACD/ACDMR43LTS.html
http://www.outboardparts.com/mall/dynamic-results2.asp
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/catalog.php?catalog=341&partnum=MR43LTS&a=FR341-MR43LTS
http://www.amazon.com/AC-DELCO-SPARK-PLUG-MR43LTS/dp/B000BYEKYW/ref=sr_11_1/103-4139674-0642256?ie=UTF8

As far as oil filter, go look at what's on it. Maybe a Penzoil PZ-3 which crosses to this Wix filter.

Part Number: 51069
UPC Number: 765809510692
Principal Application: GM Family of Cars/Trucks (64-97)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.338
Outer Diameter Top: 3.660
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 13/16-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: None
Beta Ratio: 2/20=2/26
Burst Pressure-PSI: 225
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micro Rating: 19

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 1 3.444 3.100 0.260

bigmac
09-24-2006, 07:29 AM
I believe the MCX engines all use the same filter. The PZ-3 that Indmar recommends is made by Fram. Don't use it. Oil filter ratings put them well at the bottom. Better choice would be a Wix 51069. You should be able to buy it at NAPA.

Tom023
09-24-2006, 09:02 AM
My MC manual states the correct plug is an AC MR43LTST, while the Indmar manual states AC MR43LTS and the latter is what was originally installed so that is what I use. Check this thread out, Engine Nut believes the extra T is in error:

http://www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?p=78555

beatle78
09-24-2006, 09:05 AM
bigmac,

I thought the PZ-3 filter is made my Penzoil? Does Fram make Penzoil?

bigmac
09-24-2006, 01:25 PM
bigmac,

I thought the PZ-3 filter is made my Penzoil? Does Fram make Penzoil?

Fram (subsidiary of Allied Signal) makes Pennzoil's filters, as they do many other brands labels.

Look here (http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html)for one of many oil filter overviews on the web.

JimN
09-24-2006, 01:58 PM
The motors with the Vortec heads use MR-43LTS. Never heard of LTST. Probably a misprint (or bad editing).

Ted- Where was the full test of oil filters?

Farmer Ted
09-24-2006, 02:00 PM
The motors with the Vortec heads use MR-43LTS. Never heard of LTST. Probably a misprint (or bad editing).

Ted- Where was the full test of oil filters?


This one?

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

JimN
09-24-2006, 02:24 PM
That's the same review from a few years ago, isn't it? Cool, I couldn't find it before. I'll have to see if I can find the guy- the test was done by someone at Milwaukee School of Engineering- maybe he's still there and has checked out some of the newer filters.

tdaines@hotmail.com
09-25-2006, 08:09 AM
Just a quick FYI - Buy the NAPA GOLD filter that cross-references the part number you want. It IS actually a WIX filter, branded NAPA and sold for quite a bit cheaper than the WIX. Stay away from that Orange color filter you can buy at lesser parts stores.

bigmac
09-25-2006, 08:37 AM
Just a quick FYI - Buy the NAPA GOLD filter that cross-references the part number you want. It IS actually a WIX filter, branded NAPA and sold for quite a bit cheaper than the WIX. Stay away from that Orange color filter you can buy at lesser parts stores.

Yes, the NAPA Gold filter part number is FIL 1069. It's made by Dana (Wix) and is the same filter as Wix 51069 . It's an excellent filter.

Attributes:
Features & Benefits:T-03 Glass Enhanced Media - Best Efficiency + Capacity In Industry; Steel Coil Spring; Spiral Wound Center Tube for Industry Leading Strength
Features & Benefits - 2:Holds 45% More Dirt
Last 30% Longer Than Other Leading Brands
Gasket I.D. (Inches):3.1
Gasket I.D. (mm):78.74mm
Gasket O.D. (Inches):3.444
Gasket O.D. (mm):87.48mm
Height (Inches):4.338
Height (mm):110.19mm
O.D. (Inches):3.66
O.D. (mm):92.96mm
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Thread Size (inches):13/16-16


I've seen differences in filter performance reflected by my oil pressure gauge. The boat came with a PZ-3, was replaced at the first oil change by my dealer with some kind of Mercruiser filter, and I put in the Wix when winterizing last year. I see higher oil pressures (70-80 on the gauge) at high throttle settings with the Wix.

mika
09-25-2006, 01:56 PM
I will be using an Amsoil syn filter this year. They provide protection and flow that is far superior to what is normally found on the market. I am 98% sure the Amsoil part number for the LT1 or any GM engine is EaO32. Here is a link to the information on their syn filters.

https://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/eao.aspx

bigmac
09-25-2006, 03:22 PM
I will be using an Amsoil syn filter this year. They provide protection and flow that is far superior to what is normally found on the market. I am 98% sure the Amsoil part number for the LT1 or any GM engine is EaO32. Here is a link to the information on their syn filters.

https://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/eao.aspxIIRC, Amsoil filters are made by Baldwin. Good filters, certainly, but not magic.

Just expensive...;)

mika
09-25-2006, 03:29 PM
Actually their EaO filters use a Nano syn material developed by the military for air and oil filtration. It provides good flow and great filtration properties. Far superior to any traditional paper filter technology. The only better filtration would be with the use of a bypass (made by many people) which will filter a small percentage to about 3 microns (if I remember right) and should filter all the oil in the system in about 5 to 10 min based on engine rpm.

wiltok
09-25-2006, 04:51 PM
My MC service center sells me a Sierra Evinrude filter for my MC (310 Predator). Anyone know who makes the Sierra?

85badger
09-26-2006, 09:48 AM
Could it be assumed that the MCX 5.7 vortec is similiar to the same year or recent year truck 5.7 vortec, therefore the oil filter is the same? I just bought a Purolator filter. Hope it fits.....

JimN
09-26-2006, 10:23 AM
I don't know why this has to be beaten to death. The filters in boats are supposed to be changed every 50 hours, less if it's run really hard or it overheats. Even an OK filter will be fine as long as the oil doesn't have gas, water or some other contaminant introduced. I won't use a Fram in my truck but it sees a lot more than 50 hours of use between changes since I don't average 60 MPH. I use the AC PF 1218 (which is actually made for diesel) and it has worked well for me. WIX is good, NAPA is good but everyone can make their own choice. A fair filter is better than going too long between changes, eh?

east tx skier
09-26-2006, 10:31 AM
The part number I've been sent for the MCX for the list I'm keeping as far as oil filters go is NAPA Gold 1069.

Tom023
09-26-2006, 10:49 AM
These are the numbers I have for the LTR, same block as MCX:

A/C # PF25, Fram # PH30 or XG30, K&N HP2002, Mobil1 M1202, Amsoil SDF25, Wix 51069, PZ 3 (Pennsoil)

bigmac
09-26-2006, 11:04 AM
I don't know why this has to be beaten to death. The filters in boats are supposed to be changed every 50 hours, less if it's run really hard or it overheats. Even an OK filter will be fine as long as the oil doesn't have gas, water or some other contaminant introduced. I won't use a Fram in my truck but it sees a lot more than 50 hours of use between changes since I don't average 60 MPH. I use the AC PF 1218 (which is actually made for diesel) and it has worked well for me. WIX is good, NAPA is good but everyone can make their own choice. A fair filter is better than going too long between changes, eh?

It's beaten to death because the proper care and maintenance of an internal combustion engine, especially when it comes to lubrication, is an area of great mystery to most people. In the absence of any real knowledge, training, or practical experience (like you have) in this arena, people fall back on "what their pappy told 'em", or on slick but misleading marketing campaigns. The oil companies know all this. Some, like Amsoil, are better at marketing than others, and thus the Cult of Amsoil is born.

Everybody wants to give their expensive investment the best care they can. But in the absence of truly objective data, the best marketing campaign wins.

Davo
09-26-2006, 02:41 PM
LOL....Jim - agreed. I changed my oil after 26 hours last time. I try to change it every 30-40 hours (yes, my buddies rag on me). I think it's the single most important thing you can do to maitain your engine.

On the flip side, I haven't changed my plugs EVER and I've got 550 hours. When I got to 100 hours I called the dealer to see what plugs I needed and they said don't worry about it unless I'm having issues...so I let it ride and just never changed them.

BTW, I use the Purolater Plus from Advanced Auto Parts (fka DAP) for an oil filter and Castrol 15W-40.

85badger
09-26-2006, 03:14 PM
LOL....Jim - agreed. I changed my oil after 26 hours last time. I try to change it every 30-40 hours (yes, my buddies rag on me). I think it's the single most important thing you can do to maitain your engine.

On the flip side, I haven't changed my plugs EVER and I've got 550 hours. When I got to 100 hours I called the dealer to see what plugs I needed and they said don't worry about it unless I'm having issues...so I let it ride and just never changed them.

BTW, I use the Purolater Plus from Advanced Auto Parts (fka DAP) for an oil filter and Castrol 15W-40.

You don't happen to have the Purolater Plus #?

Davo
09-26-2006, 03:45 PM
I can almost remember it....I usually just look it up at the store in their reference book. I have the '02 Chevrolet 5.7 liter block in my boat so I just look under that year's Chevy and find that size engine in a vehicle to reference.

Davo
09-26-2006, 03:56 PM
85Badger - do you have a 5.3 liter block in your '05? If so, this (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductList.aspx?parttype=1&mfrcode=PUR&ptset=A) might be it.

85badger
09-26-2006, 04:10 PM
85Badger - do you have a 5.3 liter block in your '05? If so, this (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductList.aspx?parttype=1&mfrcode=PUR&ptset=A) might be it.

MCX 5.7 Liter

Davo
09-27-2006, 09:42 AM
MCX 5.7 Liter

It's probably the same one I use: PL 34631 (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=PUR&mfrpartnumber=PL34631&parttype=1&ptset=A)

harba
09-27-2006, 03:46 PM
Thanks for all the help. I ended up going with a NAPA 1069, which was the same size as the Fram PH-30 I had been using, they both hold about 3/4 of a quart of oil. My concern is that that manual says for boats with the 1.5:1 transmission need oil filters that hold 2.5 to 3 quarts. Seems like a lot of oil.

For the spark plugs I went with the AC Delco MR43LTS. They work great. The AC MR43LTST part number is probably a misprint as one poster cited earlier.

One thing I don't understand is the requirement for 15W-40 motor oil. It appears it mostly used for desiel engines, which I understand run hotter than gas engines, and since boat engines run cooler than automtive engines why the heavy oil?

85badger
09-27-2006, 04:13 PM
It's probably the same one I use: PL 34631 (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=PUR&mfrpartnumber=PL34631&parttype=1&ptset=A)

The Purolater 34631 has a larger oil capacity than the Purolater 20049. I used the 34631.

mitch
10-31-2006, 10:51 AM
Are the Wix filters really that good? Draining my oil as I write and was going to put another Carquest or Fram in and thought I'd poke around here and see what the skinny is. Thanks!

trickskier
10-31-2006, 11:15 AM
Are the Wix filters really that good? Draining my oil as I write and was going to put another Carquest or Fram in and thought I'd poke around here and see what the skinny is. Thanks!

Mitch the Wix, AC Delco, and NAPA Gold filters are good. I prefer to spend the extra money and buy the Mobil 1 filter. If you have a small block Chevy you can use an M1-302 or M1-111. The 111 is a shorter filter if you do not have room for the longer filter. I would not use Fram as ratings are not that good.

JimN
10-31-2006, 11:17 AM
harba- do boats really run cooler? After a bunch of hard runs and being shut down repeatedly- have you let it sit and heat-soak, then check the temperature? What about old impellers, clogged oil coolers and raw water grates and high RPM operation? This is all stressful and I would want oil in my motor that can handle it.

CHAR250R
04-12-2007, 06:22 AM
How about Baldwin oil filters? I see no mention of them. I run them in my diesels.

bigmac
04-12-2007, 07:37 AM
How about Baldwin oil filters? I see no mention of them. I run them in my diesels.Baldwin makes excellent filters.

JohnnyB
04-12-2007, 08:09 AM
Whole heartedly agree that spending a few extra $$ to get a WIX, NAPA Gold, Mobile or Puralator filter is worth it.

I personally buy the NAPA Gold filter

X45owner
04-13-2007, 10:14 AM
Okay, i bought the NAPA 1069 and tried to install it. I have a 2005 X45 with the LQ9. However, the filter would not line up. The bottom of the filter was hitting a bolt. So I dented the filter to make it fit. JUST KIDDING! I measured the NAPA filter with my old filter and found it was about a 1/4" longer. I had to purchase the PZ3. Are these really that bad? Has anyone else had this same problem?

trickskier
04-13-2007, 10:21 AM
Okay, i bought the NAPA 1069 and tried to install it. I have a 2005 X45 with the LQ9. However, the filter would not line up. The bottom of the filter was hitting a bolt. So I dented the filter to make it fit. JUST KIDDING! I measured the NAPA filter with my old filter and found it was about a 1/4" longer. I had to purchase the PZ3. Are these really that bad? Has anyone else had this same problem?
I've only read what you have read about the PZ3. If a PZ3 fits, then a Mobil-1 M-111 will replace the PZ3. I feel it's worth the extra money.

X45owner
04-13-2007, 11:43 AM
What makes these better? (Wix, Mobil, etc)

trickskier
04-13-2007, 11:45 AM
What makes these better? (Wix, Mobil, etc)
The paper elements inside and most importantly Pop-off Pressure.

BrianM
04-13-2007, 12:04 PM
Okay, i bought the NAPA 1069 and tried to install it. I have a 2005 X45 with the LQ9. However, the filter would not line up. The bottom of the filter was hitting a bolt. So I dented the filter to make it fit. JUST KIDDING! I measured the NAPA filter with my old filter and found it was about a 1/4" longer. I had to purchase the PZ3. Are these really that bad? Has anyone else had this same problem?

There is a short version of the 1069. Don't know what the number is though. Just go to Napa and tell them you need the short filter for a GM 5.7

X45owner
04-13-2007, 11:03 PM
Thanks! I'll give it a try.

X45owner
04-13-2007, 11:04 PM
Thanks! I'll give it a try. Is this problem unique to me or does it happen on all oil filter that have a remote location.

ntidsl
09-08-2009, 10:35 AM
I tired the K and N filter and found my pressure running much higher. I am replacing it..anyone else see this while using a k and n filter on a mcx?

airwear
09-08-2009, 09:13 PM
I have used the K&N filter on my LTR engine and did not see any different in oil pressure. I have been happy with this filter.