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roddydog
07-11-2006, 07:45 PM
:( So here's the deal.....

Late 2004 we finally bought a place of our own.
After years of going to friends places we found a small place on a beautiful lake, we were looking for road access but when this one came up it was water access only but seemed perfect, we had friends on the lake already and the neighbours were very friendly. One was very cool and the other was a little too much but not offensive.

We found out last week that in feb. of 2004, neighbour #2's son was charged with having CHILD PORN on his computer!!!!!!!
He took it to a shop for repairs and asked to have some files backed up.
Apparently the files he wanted backed up were the "ones".
Up here repair shops are BY LAW required to report stuff like that to the police.

We have a 2 1/2 year old girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are pretty close to these guys and I am thinking....... let's find another spot...

Thoughts?

Oh, and he just recently pled guilty and got "20 DAYS and 5 YEARS PROBATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

atlfootr
07-11-2006, 07:49 PM
I'd quickly do a Internet Search re: Registered Child Molestors / Sex Offenders and see who maybe listed in your area.

roddydog
07-11-2006, 07:51 PM
A little too late, and we don't have the same thing you do in the States.
There is no public access.
Bit of a drag.

6ballsisall
07-11-2006, 07:57 PM
Do what is best for your childrens interest. If you feel concerned get out of Dodge! You could try the route Leroy said was done in his neighborhood. Have everyone post yards signs in the offenders yard labeled "Child molester live here" and see how long it takes before he moves out.

PendO
07-11-2006, 08:05 PM
man, that is tough ........... sorry to say but I would probably move

roddydog
07-11-2006, 08:06 PM
I was thinking of getting the mailing list for the lake and mailing everyone on the lake the article and police report.
I may still do it.

M-Funf
07-11-2006, 08:08 PM
I'm a bit unclear on this...Do you already OWN this house, or is it a house that you are thinking about buying?

(maybe everybody else got it but me...:confused: ) If you're THINKING about buying it... find something else. If you've already bought it, that's a tougher decision.

I don't have any kids, but I was always taught to keep my enemies close...just a thought...

atlfootr
07-11-2006, 08:17 PM
A little too late, and we don't have the same thing you do in the States. There is no public access.
Bit of a drag.Check w/ local police, they are supposably required to inform you of any if you just ask.

PendO
07-11-2006, 08:22 PM
Check w/ local police, they are supposably required to inform you of any if you just ask.

he lives in Canada.

Leroy
07-11-2006, 08:26 PM
I would just to make everyone aware of this. THere is a website for Indiana that not only lists people their address, but where they work. I think there are so many out there that moving isn't an option, knowledge of the dangers and appropriate actions are your best course of action.

I was thinking of getting the mailing list for the lake and mailing everyone on the lake the article and police report.
I may still do it.

roddydog
07-11-2006, 08:35 PM
I'm a bit unclear on this...Do you already OWN this house, or is it a house that you are thinking about buying?

(maybe everybody else got it but me...:confused: ) If you're THINKING about buying it... find something else. If you've already bought it, that's a tougher decision.

I don't have any kids, but I was always taught to keep my enemies close...just a thought...
First line...... We finally "BOUGHT"" a place.
It's our cottage not our main residence, we are still going to look for something else on the lake, but
"the devil you know, is better than the one you don't"

Apparently.

shepherd
07-11-2006, 09:17 PM
No comment...............

JimN
07-11-2006, 09:19 PM
I think it would be a good idea to let others know about this, and since it's the son of the neighbor/owner, maybe a chat would be in order. I'm sure the parents know what's going on and if the topic is breached in a non-confrontational way, letting them know that if you ever see or hear that the kid is near your house, daughter or her friends, there will be problems. Maybe the other lake residents would be interested in buying them out of their house so they can live in another community.

If there's any indication that he has acted on his "interest", he needs to go. Maybe you can get a restraining order against him, if you have an something like that in Canada. Are there any lawyers living on the lake?

roddydog
07-11-2006, 10:57 PM
I don't have kids, but here's my 2 cents anyways:
(I'm not defending this guy but) looking at kid porn isn't the same thing as molesting a child. I know there are people who contribute to this forum who look at pictures of things they probably have no intention of doing themselves...

I'd just keep my kid away from the guy. Don't you parents always keep track of where your kids are anyways?
OK Shepherd

First things first.

"LOOKING CREATES A NEED"

"A NEED CREATES A SOURCE"

"THE SOURCE IS YOUR CHILD"

GET IT?????

Of course she is never out of our sight.....but you know what...

MO-FO next door can see her also!

Get it?

erkoehler
07-11-2006, 11:03 PM
JimN has some good thoughts. I would move, nuff said.

roddydog
07-11-2006, 11:03 PM
I think it would be a good idea to let others know about this, and since it's the son of the neighbor/owner, maybe a chat would be in order. I'm sure the parents know what's going on and if the topic is breached in a non-confrontational way, letting them know that if you ever see or hear that the kid is near your house, daughter or her friends, there will be problems. Maybe the other lake residents would be interested in buying them out of their house so they can live in another community.

If there's any indication that he has acted on his "interest", he needs to go. Maybe you can get a restraining order against him, if you have an something like that in Canada. Are there any lawyers living on the lake?
Thanks JimN
A chat will be in order this wknd, we just were not sure how to handle it off the top.
Others on the lake will be informed and we will talk to them and it will all be in a non-confrontational manner.
As far as buying them out..... it is a public lake and those who are not near them will not care so much. But a public ad. of what their son has done is not a bad thing.

phecksel
07-12-2006, 12:48 PM
:( So here's the deal.....

We found out last week that in feb. of 2004, neighbour #2's son was charged with having CHILD PORN on his computer!!!!!!!
He took it to a shop for repairs and asked to have some files backed up.
Apparently the files he wanted backed up were the "ones".
Up here repair shops are BY LAW required to report stuff like that to the police.
Oh, and he just recently pled guilty and got "20 DAYS and 5 YEARS PROBATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Given some thought since I first read this. If you look at the sexual offender list, it's extensive and scary.

My advice would be to stay, if you like the house. Remember, he likely won't be there forever, and just keep a close eye on your daughter. Good solid conversation with her can't come soon enough, nor can it be frank enough. You will not regret that conversation as she gets older. I'd also make it clear to the neighbors that if he even looks towards your yard, you'll be calling the police. And don't hesitate to call. I'd bet the parents are either extremely embarressed by the whole matter, or the system is out to get him. In either case, they aren't going to like the attention. Do you have a small local newspaper? If it wasn't publicized, they may be interested in running an article.

Maristar210
07-12-2006, 01:26 PM
phecksel has some good points. I would like to know;


How old this kid is?
How did you find out about this?
What type of a relationship do you have with the parents?
Can you feel comfortable approaching them and saying "look if he ever looks twice at my daughter we're gonna have a serious issue"


Answer those and we could give a more informed opinion. However if your daughter is out of sight for even a moment and its the first thing that enters your mind then you have no choice but to leave. Also is the definition of Child Pron the same in ooh Canada as it is here in the states?

In any case I feel for you. Mine is about to turn 21 and I still worry about her.:rolleyes:

Steve

roddydog
07-12-2006, 01:43 PM
phecksel has some good points. I would like to know;


How old this kid is?
How did you find out about this ?
What type of a relationship do you have with the parents?
Can you feel comfortable approaching them and saying "look if he ever looks twice at my daughter we're gonna have a serious issue"



Answer those and we could give a more informed opinion. However if your daughter is out of sight for even a moment and its the first thing that enters your mind then you have no choice but to leave. Also is the definition of Child Pron the same in ooh Canada as it is here in the states?

In any case I feel for you. Mine is about to turn 21 and I still worry about her.:rolleyes:

Steve
1. 22
2. Casual conversation over a beer with the marina owners, they thought we already knew as it had been on the news but when you're looking for a cottage 7 or 8 months later the last thing we were thinking of was the guys son next door.
3. We talk and have beers together so a conversation shouldn't be a problem.
4. I think the definition is probably the same if not very similar and he will be told in no uncertain terms to stay at his own place, PERIOD.

Thanks for the input, you've confirmed some things for me.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
07-12-2006, 02:26 PM
Well, I looked at this thread thinking it was gonna be a job issue or something. This is serious. OK here's my ideas:

1. as you already indicated, NEVER leave your child out of YOUR sight.
2. If you dont already have them, buy guns.
3. make sure your neighbor KNOWS you have the guns and give the impression you arent afraid to use them if harm comes to your family. Probably wouldnt hurt to give the impression your a bit unstable too. that might encourage them to stay away even more. Contact local police and get their advice, and develope a strategy to protect your family with the police. Every cop I know HATES sickos, and would be willing to help you protect your family.

As far as moving, I dont know. there are sickos everywhere. In small towns you just know who they are. In more populated areas, you could be living next to a sicko and not even know it, because nobody knows their business. We have sex offenders in our town too. Its a small town, and everyone knows who they are. Sure there could be more out there, but we know who the real ones are that have already commited a crime. Tuff call on moving. I just say scare the hell out of the sicko, keep them wary of YOU.

Leroy
07-12-2006, 02:39 PM
Oh Shepherd when you do you will understand! Did your parents always know where you were when you were a kid?

Even looking at kid porn is already against the law in most places, if not all. You just don't know if you are seeing everything with the kid or the tip of the iceberg.

I don't have kids, but here's my 2 cents anyways:
(I'm not defending this guy but) looking at kid porn isn't the same thing as molesting a child. I know there are people who contribute to this forum who look at pictures of things they probably have no intention of doing themselves...

I'd just keep my kid away from the guy. Don't you parents always keep track of where your kids are anyways?

LakePirate
07-12-2006, 02:50 PM
Just a thought but shouldn't you find out what he had and was classified as kiddie porn? Is he looking at 4 year olds or is he looking at girls that are 16 - 17? And no it is not the same thing.

There was a case in Macon where a guy was dating a girl what was a minor, but only a couple of years younger than he was several years ago. When the relationship went south, the mother of the daughter had him arrested for statutory rape. Well that was about 10 years ago and ol' boy is trying to live a good life, has an of age girlfriend and a job but his neighbor across the street looked at the list online and started harassing him as some have suggested. Calling the cops for everything from noise violations to animal endangerment. I just feel that one should be very careful before you go and accuse someone of something before you have all of the facts.

shepherd
07-12-2006, 02:55 PM
Oh Shepherd when you do you will understand!

I understand Leroy. Though I've none of my own, I'd want to kill with my bare hands anyone who molested one of my nieces or nephews. I just thought that calling the guy a child molester and putting condemning signs in his parents' yard might be a little over-reaction. I'll stay out of this debate from now on and leave it to you concerned parents.

shepherd
07-12-2006, 02:56 PM
Did your parents always know where you were when you were a kid?


Nope. It's a miracle I'm still alive.

bcampbe7
07-12-2006, 03:00 PM
Just a thought but shouldn't you find out what he had and was classified as kiddie porn? Is he looking at 4 year olds or is he looking at girls that are 16 - 17? And no it is not the same thing.

There was a case in Macon where a guy was dating a girl what was a minor, but only a couple of years younger than he was several years ago. When the relationship went south, the mother of the daughter had him arrested for statutory rape. Well that was about 10 years ago and ol' boy is trying to live a good life, has an of age girlfriend and a job but his neighbor across the street looked at the list online and started harassing him as some have suggested. Calling the cops for everything from noise violations to animal endangerment. I just feel that one should be very careful before you go and accuse someone of something before you have all of the facts.

This is kinda what I was thinking...
You never said how old the son is/was, maybe I missed the age.
Is he 18 and had pics of his 16 or 17 year old girlfriend on his PC? No, it's not right and is illegal, but I would feel better about something like that rather than him having pictures of young children on his PC.
If the latter is the case, I would be very concerned and would def. talk to the parents of the individual in question.

RexDog1
07-12-2006, 03:41 PM
What is a 22 year old living at home??? O yah looking at Child Porn… You can’t run from all that is bad in this world, in the same thought I have 2 young kids and if it were I??? It would eat me up, “If you don’t already have them, buy guns”. UMP “Do you have a small local newspaper? If it wasn't publicized, they may be interested in running an article”Phecksel I agree with UMP and Phecksel Yes Shepherd there is a difference between looking at child porn And Molesting a Child, but the 22-year man is on the road, you cannot Take it lightly, and after some of your thoughts on this thread I do agree With only one thing you have said, “It's a miracle I'm still alive.”

roddydog
07-12-2006, 04:02 PM
Again, Thanks for the input.
UMP- This is Canada, Hand guns are illegal (although they seem to be all over Toronto) and I don't think that much of a threat is needed. He knows I would strangle him if anything happened to my family.
LP- KIDDIE PORN. It was described as 'evil and despicable' with children as young as a year and a half and not just a few images 1000's
By the way the age of consent just went up here from 14 to 16.
Talking to our local Police is a good idea also, just to see where we stand.

6ballsisall
07-12-2006, 04:18 PM
Again, Thanks for the input.
UMP- This is Canada, Hand guns are illegal (although they seem to be all over Toronto) and I don't think that much of a threat is needed. He knows I would strangle him if anything happened to my family.
LP- KIDDIE PORN. It was described as 'evil and despicable' with children as young as a year and a half and not just a few images 1000's
By the way the age of consent just went up here from 14 to 16.
Talking to our local Police is a good idea also, just to see where we stand.

If the ages of those photographed is that young I'd say go "balls to the wall" with getting him out of the equation in the local area. If he doesn't move, I'd be moving.......

RexDog1
07-12-2006, 04:21 PM
1000 OMG,

Man, My Prayers are with you, and your family,

If you need some help, I have an uncle in Philadelphia that can take care things for you.:cool:

roddydog
07-12-2006, 04:28 PM
If the ages of those photographed is that young I'd say go "balls to the wall" with getting him out of the equation in the local area. If he doesn't move, I'd be moving.......
I'm with you on that one. Getting them to go would be good, 'cause we really do like our place.

Thanks Rex but that may be a little extreme also;) .

6ballsisall
07-12-2006, 04:30 PM
1000 OMG,

Man, My Prayers are with you, and your family,

If you need some help, I have an uncle in Philadelphia that can take care things for you.:cool:



If you need more "help" I have a neighbor from Chicago that was a "collector" back in the days. I am not joking about his past either!! :eek:

Ric
07-12-2006, 04:35 PM
Tough situation!
I really don't like the fact that you only have access by water. That remoteness seems to attract weirdos and the mentality around there probably isn't as worried as you are. Probably time to sell the place.
NOT sayin that the next place you buy won't have a nut job living nextdoor though...

roddydog
07-12-2006, 04:38 PM
If you need more "help" I have a neighbor from Chicago that was a "collector" back in the days. I am not joking about his past either!! :eek:
Something tells me that if I acted on either offer I'd be in more trouble than the pr!ck we're talking about.

You're right ric, no guarantee:mad:

6ballsisall
07-12-2006, 04:40 PM
Something tells me that if I acted on either offer I'd be in more trouble than the pr!ck we're talking about.

You're right ric, no guarantee:mad:

Tru dat.

I am surprised the canucks don't have a public list like here in the states. Many realtors are attaching the site onto their site making sure buyers check out the area from that angle before buying a new property.

east tx skier
07-12-2006, 04:41 PM
NOT sayin that the next place you buy won't have a nut job living nextdoor though...

That's what I keep thinking. No easy answers to this. If there are no reporting requirements, at least where you are, you know who one of the perverts is. You move somewhere else, you can ask, and they can tell you "no," but they might be liars. Where you are, you know who to watch out for.

roddydog
07-12-2006, 04:57 PM
Exactly Eastie!

Something tells me the system is FKd. A friend of mine told me about a homeless guy in B.C. who refused to budge from his spot under a tree, he got "7 MONTHS" for being 'a public nuisance' while this AO Pervert gets 20 DAYS!!!!!
What is up with that???
Preying on the most vulnerable and helpless, not to mention completely trusting and loving members of our society and he gets a slap, Buddy who just wants a place to sleep gets kicked in the groin.

Maristar210
07-12-2006, 05:21 PM
I'm still trying to get over the "as young as a year and a half" comment which is unthinkable to me. Also I cannot fathom how that many images can even be available. Wow

I can see the 17 year old girl and the 18 year old boyfriend situation. That happens all the time.

Personally I had always heard that one of my current employees had a go round with a 12 year old boy but I never believed it until I looked it up in the State of Michigan Sex Offender Registry where....

There his big dumb hillbilly a$$ was, bigger than life. This is also when I learned I have 16 offenders in MY ZIP CODE, one is less than a mile away.

My point is these sickos, are to some degree, everywhere and you as a parent can only ever do so much to protect your kids whether you move or stay there are still sexual predators in society.

This is quite a conundrum indeed, I wish you the best in what you choose to do.


/off soapbox

Steve

east tx skier
07-12-2006, 05:42 PM
I'm still trying to get over the "as young as a year and a half" comment which is unthinkable to me. Also I cannot fathom how that many images can even be available. Wow

I can see the 17 year old girl and the 18 year old boyfriend situation. That happens all the time.

Personally I had always heard that one of my current employees had a go round with a 12 year old boy but I never believed it until I looked it up in the State of Michigan Sex Offender Registry where....

There his big dumb hillbilly a$$ was, bigger than life. This is also when I learned I have 16 offenders in MY ZIP CODE, one is less than a mile away.

My point is these sickos, are to some degree, everywhere and you as a parent can only ever do so much to protect your kids whether you move or stay there are still sexual predators in society.

This is quite a conundrum indeed, I wish you the best in what you choose to do.


/off soapbox

Steve

According to the map for my zip code, I could haul off and throw a baseball really hard and hit the guy. Maybe I'm overestimating my arm. Maybe I need to give it a shot and see if I can do it. ;) Point is well taken though. They're everywhere. But a mile in a populated area still isn't the same as next door.

Maristar210
07-13-2006, 09:18 AM
According to the map for my zip code, I could haul off and throw a baseball really hard and hit the guy. Maybe I'm overestimating my arm. Maybe I need to give it a shot and see if I can do it. ;) Point is well taken though. They're everywhere. But a mile in a populated area still isn't the same as next door.


True Eastie. I did not mean to diminish the fact that this sick f was right next door. It would rattle me as well. He is 22 so he'll have to move out eventually, right? Yeah I know when he's 30.

Roddy,

If it were me I would pull this nut behind the shed and get nose to nose with him and explain my position so that he and I are crystal clear as to what would happen to him if he ever even thought about it. I would never tell anyone I spoke with him in this manner, it would just be between him and I.

By the way, how stupid do you have to be to take a computer full off illegal images in to be worked on? I'm going out on a limb to say this kids PP is driving the bus.

Good Luck - Steve

Upper Michigan Prostar190
07-13-2006, 09:43 AM
Roddy,

If it were me I would pull this nut behind the shed and get nose to nose with him and explain my position so that he and I are crystal clear as to what would happen to him if he ever even thought about it. I would never tell anyone I spoke with him in this manner, it would just be between him and I.

That is a good idea Mari. I agree. He might get the message if you do that. This way the sicko KNOWS darn well where you stand with him.

Also, Roddy you mentioned that handguns arent legal there. Get a sawed off shotgun. Just get the most conveinent thing you can have to protect your family. I have a cousin thats a cop, and he said there is NOTHING in this world more convincing than the sound of a shell being racked in a shot gun. He has expereinced this himself on the job. He has been in confrontational situations before and people always get real freindly when the shotgun comes out. Its a deterrant mostly. You can call me "John Wayne" if you want, but its a sick world out there. In this day and age, you need to protect yourself and family from the sickos. Predators are out there, and you just need to take appropriate measures to protect your family as police arent going to sit at your house everyday eating coffee and donuts waiting for a crime to happen. I guess that the right to bear arms is something we Americans take for granted.

JimN
07-13-2006, 12:31 PM
Sawed-off shotguns are illegal just about everywhere I can think of. Long guns are too easy to move out of the way in close-quarters confrontations and if you're in a hallway, you have to raise it to turn around. In your own home, you can use it as self-defense, outside- not so much.

If a "polite" conversation is held, no specifics need to be mentioned. If they are, he can go to the police and say he was threatened. Definitely don't threaten anyone over the phone or through the mail. Those are federal offenses.

Doug- try a flat stone. It flies farther and if it hits him, it cuts deeper.

Anyone seen the Barrett sniper rifle?

Upper Michigan Prostar190
07-13-2006, 12:42 PM
well I think sawed offs to a certain length are OK. at least in michigan. I think there is usually a length limit on the barrell. just an idea. I would want protection of some sort. and I didnt indicate he should threaten him, just clearly state where he stands with his family's safety and well being and what lengths he will go to to protect them. That can be done very seriously without direct threats.

east tx skier
07-13-2006, 12:47 PM
There is NOTHING in this world more convincing than the sound of a shell being racked in a shot gun.

Very true. It sounds similar to the release of the slide on my Mini14. The 40 capacity pre-ban clip makes it convincing to look at, too. But it's not just for show. So many people tend to get away while you reload.

What I really need is a BAR.

east tx skier
07-13-2006, 12:49 PM
well I think sawed offs to a certain length are OK. at least in michigan. I think there is usually a length limit on the barrell. just an idea. I would want protection of some sort. and I didnt indicate he should threaten him, just clearly state where he stands with his family's safety and well being and what lengths he will go to to protect them. That can be done very seriously without direct threats.

You used to be able to buy riot guns (12 guage) from Oshman's sporting goods in Houston. This is back when my dad used to buy M1s (30 carbine) from them. Still have that one, too, in case 40 rounds isn't enough.

What can I say? It's Texas. We're armed.

But with the kid, fat lot of good they'll do me all locked up like they are. We'll grab the kid, run to the neighbors and let the cops handle it whenever possible as a general rule. I'd always rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

JimN
07-13-2006, 01:02 PM
UMP- any time someone tells another person (especially in a situation like this) "if you do this, I'll do that", it's not gonna be "if you look at or touch my kid, I'm going to call the police". Either way, it's a threat but the reaction defines the severity. Many fathers will take the matter into their own hands and I really can't blame them, but I still think more needs to be done to keep the public informed. I don't even have kids and I don't want anyone with that kind of record living near me. Still, there are a bunch of them nearby. I think 4" can be removed, then it's illegal.

Doug- what about the mini-gun they use on A-10 Warthogs? Maybe a bit heavy but if you can mount it in a place where you can see them coming, it wouldn't matter at all.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
07-13-2006, 01:03 PM
What can I say? It's Texas. We're armed.
Likewise here Eastie. We are armed. Especially in the UP. Guns are just a normal thing up here. Everyone has them in there homes. Some people carry them in their cars too. Its just the way things are. Walk softly and carry a big gun.

east tx skier
07-13-2006, 01:08 PM
Doug- what about the mini-gun they use on A-10 Warthogs? Maybe a bit heavy but if you can mount it in a place where you can see them coming, it wouldn't matter at all.

Ha! I only use that when I'm rolling around Vice City or San Andreas!

http://gta-action.com/contend/VC_waffen/Minigun_big.jpg

I really need to take some time and clean my guns. I don't hunt anymore and haven't shot the rifles or pistols in years. I used to get to shoot some clay pigeons on occasion, but the guy that would motivate me to do that has moved away. But for the mini14, these were my dad's guns, so I'm just giving them a home.

roddydog
07-14-2006, 11:04 AM
I'll let you know what happens after this WKND.
As far as him moving out, it's a cottage, a recreational, seasonal property so he'll be goin' up on weekends 'til he's 90.

Polite but firm talk will be the 1st step and maybe a visit to the provincial (same as State Troopers) police as they have jurisdiction up there, to see what our rights are.

Thanks again for the input
(I wasn't expecting a jack about guns though);)

roddydog
07-18-2006, 01:51 PM
Well had a talk with the Dad, (he just shows up on our door sat. AM).
He was very humble and said they keep a very close eye on him. I said yeah, Me too!!!
We didn't really see much of them for the rest of the wknd. and the kid is on 5 years probation. I don't think he'll be too friendly with us if (or when) he does show up.

I guess 'The Devil you know is better than the one you don't'.

Again thanks for the input.:mad:

Maristar210
07-18-2006, 02:02 PM
Parents are probably embarassed as he11. Sounds like between yourself and the Dad you are going to be okay with staying. Glad for you.

Steve

jimmer2880
07-19-2006, 07:18 AM
Talk about a tough place to be.

But - I am leaning on the side of staying. I would start talking to your daughter now. Hopefully she will never need it. But - even if this sicko never shows up, she is in the vicinity for others.

I watched "to catch a predator" on Dateline NBC the other week. Those guys were driving HOURS to that girl's house. Having a 3.5 year old of my own, my wife & I have started telling her about strangers & how fast to run.

It's a tough call because we don't want to scare our kids into being a hobbit, but we do want them to be safe.

Ohh yea - and I'm all about setting up signs with a blown-up copy of the newspaper article in your front yard. You have to be careful what you say - so let the newspaper say it for you and publisize the article.

phecksel
07-19-2006, 01:00 PM
Talk about a tough place to be.

I watched "to catch a predator" on Dateline NBC the other week. Those guys were driving HOURS to that girl's house. Having a 3.5 year old of my own, my wife & I have started telling her about strangers & how fast to run.

Remember on to catch a predator, and several other similar expose's, the "kids" invited the predators to visit. Too many kids have run off to meet their dream guy.

What apparently is working for us has been constant and very frank discussion about intimate physical activities, appropriate male (two daughters) behavior, and relationships. We had always been frank, especially with truthfully answering any asked questions, but a friend and 7th grade teacher showed us a note she intercepted from a student. It was a graphic description on how to perform the perfect oral act on her boyfriend. Our oldest was in the 6th grade at the time and it was a rude awakening. Hug her and love her, the innocense doesn't last forever, LOL.

roddydog
07-19-2006, 03:14 PM
You're both right!

I had a talk with her last week while we were there and I told her that I didn't want anyone to touch her. Not Dave (the Dad who had once given her an apparently innocent tap on the rear) nor anyone else.

Well on sunday of this past weekend she was with her Mom on the deck and yelled (and I mean yelled as only a 2 1/2 year old can) "Dave", 'Yeah sweety', he answered (I hat that 'sweety' thing), She continued, "Dave, I don't want you to touch me anymore"!!!

I was inside and howled and I am sure he was mortified.:eek::D

From the mouths of babes......

'Nuf said for now.