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André
07-05-2006, 11:42 AM
Anybody knows or read something about having such a tournament? :confused:
Could be fun with all the slaloms guys here on the board.
We could make teams.Is there an handicap sysyem like in golf?
I guess each one would have to ski his own site in a tournament way and report his score.
Does that makes any sense at all?
Never been in a tournament myself ,i realy don't know how it works...
Any comments welcome! :headbang:

rodltg2
07-05-2006, 11:44 AM
sounds interesting. how would you keep it honest?

André
07-05-2006, 11:49 AM
sounds interesting. how would you keep it honest?
Mastercrafts OWNERS are honest peoples!!!
Don't know for others brands... :D
J\k rod,since there would be no prize or nothing to gain,i doubt we regulars on here would cheat just for bragging rights...We all know each others and are friends,no need to cheat i think... :friday:

bradamerry
07-05-2006, 11:55 AM
Mastercrafts OWNERS are honest peoples!!!
Don't know for others brands... :D
J\k rod,since there would be no prize or nothing to gain,i doubt we regulars on here would cheat just for bragging rights...We all know each others and are friends,no need to cheat i think... :friday:
yea right......... I have to beat the Farmer, so, I think I might come in at 4 1/2 @28 off, 34mph............. :uglyhamme

André
07-05-2006, 12:01 PM
yea right......... I have to beat the Farmer, so, I think I might come in at 4 1/2 @28 off, 34mph............. :uglyhamme
Isn't Ted skiing 36 mph now? :banana:

bradamerry
07-05-2006, 12:25 PM
Isn't Ted skiing 36 mph now? :banana:
damn it............................... :rant:

bcampbe7
07-05-2006, 12:33 PM
This would be interesting...
Can we have different divisions?
I would be in the beginner division! :D
.25 @ 15 off and 30 MPH (I got through the guide buoys :D )

#47of100TeamMC
07-05-2006, 02:54 PM
Sign me up. sounds like a lot of fun.. I would imagine it's one of those trial and error type of things. Just have to lay some basic rules and see what happens. then modify handicap and such from there. Might work to do a "match play" as in golf. one person vs. another directly. the better skier/golfer. Spots the other a few buoys/strokes. Although Handicap in golf is an average over many rounds... now sure how you would do that in slalom. other than just your Personal best.

André
07-05-2006, 03:11 PM
Sign me up. sounds like a lot of fun.. I would imagine it's one of those trial and error type of things. Just have to lay some basic rules and see what happens. then modify handicap and such from there. Might work to do a "match play" as in golf. one person vs. another directly. the better skier/golfer. Spots the other a few buoys/strokes. Although Handicap in golf is an average over many rounds... now sure how you would do that in slalom. other than just your Personal best.
Good ideas! Keep them coming and i might try to organize something!
We would need 6balls to chime in as he's into organizing tournament.
Someone with INT league knowledge might help too! :woohoo:

#47of100TeamMC
07-05-2006, 03:16 PM
Someone with INT league knowledge might help too! :woohoo:

Good Call, MN needs a Int League Coordinator... I would be interested, but the Int League website says "must be financially stable..." So after reading that, I knew I wasn't a candidate. Too bad too, cuz it would be fun.

east tx skier
07-05-2006, 03:39 PM
Can I just get my 20th place trophy and call it a day. ;)

BeavenX5
07-05-2006, 04:03 PM
Lets make sure we support this tournament by posting lots of pictures of the performances (great turns around balls, glass water, bad falls, etc...) so we are active spectators of this virtual tournament.

Great idea. :headbang:

TMCNo1
07-05-2006, 06:36 PM
Mastercrafts OWNERS are honest peoples!!!
Don't know for others brands... :D
J\k rod,since there would be no prize or nothing to gain,i doubt we regulars on here would cheat just for bragging rights...We all know each others and are friends,no need to cheat i think... :friday:


No problem unless the kind Dr. wants to play on his lake, on his website!

Farmer Ted
07-05-2006, 06:42 PM
yea right......... I have to beat the Farmer, so, I think I might come in at 4 1/2 @28 off, 34mph............. :uglyhamme


only 4 1/2? come on brother I been working on my mad off side turn.

I only ride a wheelie half way to the wake so I can get better velocity for the jump.......

I moved my fin forward .00025"
added some depth .00300"
and tweaked the wing to 9 degrees dihedral

I've got an engineer buddy at Boeing making me a wing with winglets to see if that will help.....

Farmer Ted
07-05-2006, 06:43 PM
Isn't Ted skiing 36 mph now? :banana:


that should read 36 KPH!!!!!

shepherd
07-05-2006, 11:56 PM
Can I just get my 20th place trophy and call it a day. ;)

20th place??? feeling kind of confident East? ;)

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east tx skier
07-05-2006, 11:58 PM
that should read 36 KPH!!!!!

Farmer, you're wanted in the great metric system debate 2006 thread.

André
06-29-2007, 09:21 AM
Bump.
I still think about this!
I want to test my handicap system that i think would be fare.
I'll post the rules later today.For the moment,i would need 10 peoples who are going to ski the course FOR SURE this week end and willing to report their scores on monday or before.
All skills levels welcome.
I need to know what speed and lenght you're running the course,the last loop that usually complete and personnal best.
Perfect Pass is needed and times must be in the range.
I'ld like to make two teams but still match 2 skiers agaisnt each other to score points for the team.
ANY IDEAS ARE WELCOME !!!
For sure,one fall will be allow.
If any one with INT league or similar that knows of a fair handicap system,please chime in!
Thanks!

Edit:Seems i've spell fare and fair different way,which is good?

32offer
06-29-2007, 09:31 AM
If you get on www.intleague.com website, it will show you how the divisions are broken down into ability, not age. I've skied these tournys alot, and it seems to work well. Most every tournament you're within just a couple bouys of the next guy, meaning second place is usually not too far behind ME!

André
06-29-2007, 09:40 AM
If you get on www.intleague.com website, it will show you how the divisions are broken down into ability, not age. I've skied these tournys alot, and it seems to work well. Most every tournament you're within just a couple bouys of the next guy, meaning second place is usually not too far behind ME!
I like the way they split the divisions there but i think you need a lot of skier to use that system and i'm not ready to do that yet.Just want to keep it friendly between regulars here.
Thanks!
Will you ski the course this week end?

betsy&david Harrison
06-29-2007, 10:07 AM
I'm in Andre. I'll post my results on Sunday when I return.

André
06-29-2007, 11:28 AM
I'm in Andre. I'll post my results on Sunday when I return.
Thanks!Need to know your speed,lenght,personnal best and what you usually run these days...

betsy&david Harrison
06-29-2007, 01:36 PM
What I have been doing this year... :(...not my best BUT NEVER say DIE!! Best is 1 at 22 off, 34mph. This year, not even close yet...full pass at 32mph/15off. I'll push myself a bit harder this weekend.

André
06-29-2007, 01:42 PM
What I have been doing this year... :(...not my best BUT NEVER say DIE!! Best is 1 at 22 off, 34mph. This year, not even close yet...full pass at 32mph/15off. I'll push myself a bit harder this weekend.
It just for the fun of testing a handicap system so that any levels of skier could ski against each other...No real prize but maybe the winner could spent one crazy evening with any Maristar210 owner of their choice...;)

Jesus_Freak
06-29-2007, 01:45 PM
20th place??? feeling kind of confident East? ;)

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Good one.....!

TMCNo1
06-29-2007, 02:21 PM
Good one.....!

Is the water cold and will we need a wetsuit????????????

BrianM
06-29-2007, 08:13 PM
I am in. Will be skiing the course Sat and Sun.

I ski 36mph. Start at 22 off. Personal best is 5 1/2 at 32off. Been skiing 2-4 at 32 the last week. Running that full 32 pass still eludes me. Maybe this weekend. :D

Jesus_Freak
06-30-2007, 02:52 AM
Is the water cold and will we need a wetsuit????????????

If the virtual location is in TN, then YES. :)


I ski 36mph. Start at 22 off. Personal best is 5 1/2 at 32off. Been skiing 2-4 at 32 the last week. Running that full 32 pass still eludes me. Maybe this weekend. :D

Given we have people with EXTREME talent like this on here, I fear even trying. Having 20+ divisions is my only hope. :o

André
06-30-2007, 09:43 AM
If the virtual location is in TN, then YES. :)




Given we have people with EXTREME talent like this on here, I fear even trying. Having 20+ divisions is my only hope. :o
That's why i want to test how to make things equal for every level of skier here on TT.

I really just need some scores from the week end and see how i can handicap those.
Skier A has a pb of 3 at 32,34 mph.28 off is the last loop that he can make a full pass.Say he run 1.5 at 32,score 6 points for his full pass and and another 1.5 for his 32 pass for a total of 7.5 points.
Skier B can make a 15 off at 28 mph but can't speed the boat bacause of his habilities,still he can make a couples of balls at 22 off .Skier B would get a score very close to the better skier.Add some bonus points for a pb and any skier could beat a better one.There would be no points for the previous longer pass,just points for balls that you make starting with the last full loop that you usually complete.
Clear as mud ???
Anyway ,just trying to see how we could all have fun skiing against each other in such a tournament...:)

betsy&david Harrison
07-01-2007, 11:46 PM
Ok Andre...

I skied my best mark for this year!! I got 4 1/2 at 34mph 15'off. :banana: :banana: :D

H20skeefreek
07-02-2007, 09:21 AM
It might be too late, but I'm going out today and will ski a PB.

Jesus_Freak
07-02-2007, 12:08 PM
It might be too late, but I'm going out today and will ski a PB.

Update us today. I better see some good numbers. :D

My PB (after much prayer) is 2 @ 32MPH 15' off. Ski school recommendations anyone????

H20skeefreek
07-02-2007, 04:18 PM
Same as yours, 2@15off, 32mph. It is my PB.

h2oskiluvr
07-02-2007, 10:45 PM
I finally made it through 15 off at 34mph and then made 3 at 22 off at 34mph. Best of all, I got it on video.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lindquist.Family/SlalomSetsJune302007

beef
07-02-2007, 11:41 PM
I finally made it through 15 off at 34mph and then made 3 at 22 off at 34mph. Best of all, I got it on video.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lindquist.Family/SlalomSetsJune302007

Darn close to 4 @ 22 off. Nice videos & good skiing.

BrianM
07-03-2007, 10:22 AM
I finally made it through 15 off at 34mph and then made 3 at 22 off at 34mph. Best of all, I got it on video.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lindquist.Family/SlalomSetsJune302007

Looking good. Just need to pull all the way through the wake and you will make that 22.

pq2
07-03-2007, 11:26 AM
today I made my PB but I know its not totally right, first of all because the boat didnt had a PP, but well I had 1 at 35off @ 32MPH. My boat its out of the water because the alternator problems. On the shootout I made 1 at 32off @ 32MPH so maybe I should count that one as my PB. Now I have to start skiing at 34 MPH @ 22off again but that wont be possible until my boat is ready.

Jesus_Freak
07-03-2007, 11:38 AM
I finally made it through 15 off at 34mph and then made 3 at 22 off at 34mph. Best of all, I got it on video.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Lindquist.Family/SlalomSetsJune302007

That looks fantastic. Congratulations.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
07-03-2007, 11:47 AM
I skied 0 at 15 OFF 32 MPH the other day. But I looked dayum sexy while skiing it. does that count for anything?

Jesus_Freak
07-03-2007, 01:02 PM
...does that count for anything?

Now that just depends on who is counting. 8p

Jesus_Freak
07-03-2007, 01:03 PM
Same as yours, 2@15off, 32mph. It is my PB.


Cool! Is that before yesterday's trip or after yesterday's trip.

Ric
07-03-2007, 01:05 PM
my kids have one of those wii games for the tv. pretty damn cool, somebody needs to make a slalom game for that!

BrianM
07-03-2007, 02:45 PM
today I made my PB but I know its not totally right, first of all because the boat didnt had a PP, but well I had 1 at 35off @ 32MPH. My boat its out of the water because the alternator problems. On the shootout I made 1 at 32off @ 32MPH so maybe I should count that one as my PB. Now I have to start skiing at 34 MPH @ 22off again but that wont be possible until my boat is ready.

Just curious as to why you are cutting the rope so short at a slow speed. OK to reduce speed a bit to work on your next pass but running that short at slow speed if you cannot run longer lines at speed is not doing you any favors. In a tournament you can't cut rope until you are skiing at your maximum speed.

André
07-03-2007, 03:59 PM
That's why i want to test how to make things equal for every level of skier here on TT.

I really just need some scores from the week end and see how i can handicap those.
Skier A has a pb of 3 at 32,34 mph.28 off is the last loop that he can make a full pass.Say he run 1.5 at 32,score 6 points for his full pass and and another 1.5 for his 32 pass for a total of 7.5 points.
Skier B can make a 15 off at 28 mph but can't speed the boat bacause of his habilities,still he can make a couples of balls at 22 off .Skier B would get a score very close to the better skier.Add some bonus points for a pb and any skier could beat a better one.There would be no points for the previous longer pass,just points for balls that you make starting with the last full loop that you usually complete.
Clear as mud ???
Anyway ,just trying to see how we could all have fun skiing against each other in such a tournament...:)

Just realize that my scoring system is not really good...Giving one point per buoy starting with the last complete loop makes no sense since everyone is at least completing...their last loop and then miss on the shorther rope!
Anyhow here's the results!;)
Betsy got 4.5 at 15 off,34 mph for 10.5 points plus one for season's
best!
BrianM got 3 at 32,36 mph for 9 points.
My buddy got 3 at 22 off 34 mph for 9 points.
H2O skifreek got 2 at 22,32 mph for 8 plus 3 points for a PB!
H2Oskiluver got 3 at 22,34 mph for 9 + 3 for a PB!
I got 1 at 32 off,34 mph (had to hang on a ton of slack just to get back to the boat line) for 7 points.

H2Oskiluver 12
Betsy 11.5
H2Oskifreek 11
BrianM 9
My buddy 8
Me 7 (What a poor scoring system...lol):D

pq2 was disqualified for shorthening the rope at a too slow speed!;)

Thanks to everyone!Maybe we should have a division tournament like the INT league...

Upper Michigan Prostar190
07-03-2007, 04:51 PM
Just realize that my scoring system is not really good...Giving one point per buoy starting with the last complete loop makes no sense since everyone is at least completing...their last loop and then miss on the shorther rope!
Anyhow here's the results!;)
Betsy got 4.5 at 15 off,34 mph for 10.5 points plus one for season's
best!
BrianM got 3 at 32,36 mph for 9 points.
My buddy got 3 at 22 off 34 mph for 9 points.
H2O skifreek got 2 at 22,32 mph for 8 plus 3 points for a PB!
H2Oskiluver got 3 at 22,34 mph for 9 + 3 for a PB!
I got 1 at 32 off,34 mph (had to hang on a ton of slack just to get back to the boat line) for 7 points.

H2Oskiluver 12
Betsy 11.5
H2Oskifreek 11
BrianM 9
My buddy 8
Me 7 (What a poor scoring system...lol):D

pq2 was disqualified for shorthening the rope at a too slow speed!;)

Thanks to everyone!Maybe we should have a division tournament like the INT league...
Im not on your chart Andre....Where did I come in for skiing 0 bouys @15 OFF 32 MPH but looking sexay as he11 doing it? :confused:

André
07-03-2007, 05:55 PM
Im not on your chart Andre....Where did I come in for skiing 0 bouys @15 OFF 32 MPH but looking sexay as he11 doing it? :confused:
You have to scroll down,i mean really down...8p

pq2
07-03-2007, 06:23 PM
Just curious as to why you are cutting the rope so short at a slow speed. OK to reduce speed a bit to work on your next pass but running that short at slow speed if you cannot run longer lines at speed is not doing you any favors. In a tournament you can't cut rope until you are skiing at your maximum speed.

Because the boat that I´ve being skiing lately is a mess and you cant go faster that 32. The PS197 si my brother boat and I cant use it all the time. I was going to buy him the boat but with the engagement I will have to wait.

BrianM
07-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Because the boat that I´ve being skiing lately is a mess and you cant go faster that 32. .

Now that is just kind of funny. :o Sorry to hear about that! :cool:

H20skeefreek
07-13-2007, 09:06 PM
Hey, are we gonna do this again this weekend? I'm game. I'm shooting for a new PB.

Upper Michigan Prostar190
07-13-2007, 10:07 PM
Hey, are we gonna do this again this weekend? I'm game. I'm shooting for a new PB.
Absolutely! I am washing my speedo now! I am shooting for a new personal best as well! 4 hotties in the boat while I ski 0 bouys at 15 Off 32 MPH, but looking sexy as hell doing it, for the ladies. :cool:

pq2
07-17-2007, 10:49 AM
Ok guys, I went back to reality today, skied in my boat with the PP and my best was 4 bouys 28off @ 32MPH.

It is amazing how the pull changes with the PP. I hope tomorrow I will be able to pass 28 off and maybe next week go back to 15off and 34MPH.

H20skeefreek
07-17-2007, 11:21 PM
New PB 6@15off 32mph. did not make the exit gates to advance to next pass.

BrianM
07-18-2007, 09:25 AM
New PB 6@15off 32mph. did not make the exit gates to advance to next pass.

If you didn't make the gates then it is only 5 1/2.

pq2
07-18-2007, 10:41 AM
I went today and made 4 bouys at 32 MPH @32off with the PP. Maybe tomorrow I will start with my fist passes at 34 MPH.

cbryan70
07-18-2007, 11:45 AM
1 @ 15 off at 33. Still trying to figure out the damn course. Only skied the course a few times

BrianM
07-18-2007, 12:08 PM
I skied a new PB on Saturday. 1@35 36mph. I was lucky to get that one. Took a huge slack hit getting back to the wake. 35 is a whole new ballgame. Not going to be spending much time there yet though. Still trying to get a relatively consistent full 32 pass.

pq2
07-18-2007, 01:01 PM
Congrats Brian, thats great, keep on trying, some day i will be skiing at that speed and that rope lenght :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

#47of100TeamMC
07-18-2007, 02:03 PM
I skied a new PB on Saturday. 1@35 36mph. I was lucky to get that one. Took a huge slack hit getting back to the wake. 35 is a whole new ballgame. Not going to be spending much time there yet though. Still trying to get a relatively consistent full 32 pass.

Ever make it up to Minneapolis/St.Paul? I could use a ski buddy like you! :wavey:

H20skeefreek
07-18-2007, 04:14 PM
If you didn't make the gates then it is only 5 1/2.
even if I made it back to the boat line? I thought it counted as 6, just didn't count for the pass

BrianM
07-18-2007, 04:17 PM
Ever make it up to Minneapolis/St.Paul? I could use a ski buddy like you! :wavey: Never been there. Sounds cold. :o
even if I made it back to the boat line? I thought it counted as 6, just didn't count for the pass
Hmm! Now you have me thinking. The rule now says something about ski away in control I think. Off to AWSA site to check the rules. :rolleyes:

#47of100TeamMC
07-18-2007, 04:21 PM
Never been there. Sounds cold. :o
:rolleyes:

She's gonna be mid 90's and Humid as heck the rest of this week... catch a flight, I'll pick you up!

#47of100TeamMC
07-18-2007, 04:22 PM
Hmm! Now you have me thinking. The rule now says something about ski away in control I think. Off to AWSA site to check the rules. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure for all 6 buoys you need to exit through the gates. However, the "tight line" rule does not apply after 6ball. all you need is handle in hand through the gates.

BrianM
07-18-2007, 04:28 PM
The 'Virtual Boat Judge' only scores your pass 5 1/2 according to c.:rolleyes:

From AWSA.
10.12 Points for Buoys

A buoy not missed is credited as follows up to the point of the first miss:

(a) Ľ point when the skier crosses the C-D and X-Y lines in skiing position (Rule
8.07) before the buoy to be rounded (See Slalom Scoring Diagram in the
Appendix); however, if the skier passes on the inside of the buoy, he shall
not receive the Ľ point.

(b) ˝ point when the skier has re-crossed the C-D line in skiing position before
the level of the next buoy or end gate.
47

(c) 1 point when the skier has crossed the line of the gate buoys before passing
the level of the next buoy (or the end gate in the case of the final buoy)
with a tight line under the power of the boat without falling.

(d) For judging purposes, the front foot of the skier shall be used to determine
the point at which the skier crosses the quarter, half, and full point buoy
lines (or the end gate in case of the final buoy).

BrianM
07-18-2007, 04:33 PM
She's gonna be mid 90's and Humid as heck the rest of this week... catch a flight, I'll pick you up!

Sounds like the forecast here. What's the water temp?

#47of100TeamMC
07-18-2007, 04:49 PM
Sounds like the forecast here. What's the water temp?

Somewhere between Bath Water and Jacuzzi Tub.

Last weekend PP thermometer said 78.5deg. (I'm sure that's chilly compared to LA) The lake we ski is 30-40ft deep and spring fed.

rodltg2
07-18-2007, 04:57 PM
how do i get in on this game. i too skied/matched my personal best yesterday. 4@28 34mph. however yesterday was the closest i felt i was going to run the whole pass. probably why i fell. started to get excited to early.

BrianM
07-18-2007, 05:47 PM
Somewhere between Bath Water and Jacuzzi Tub.

Last weekend PP thermometer said 78.5deg. (I'm sure that's chilly compared to LA) The lake we ski is 30-40ft deep and spring fed.

That is just about perfect. Water here has been running mid 80s but we have had a lot of rain. Next month we will be 90+ water temp. Quite honestly that is just way too hot.

pq2
07-18-2007, 05:56 PM
You are in Rod, just keep posting your sets.

André
07-18-2007, 07:03 PM
how do i get in on this game. i too skied/matched my personal best yesterday. 4@28 34mph. however yesterday was the closest i felt i was going to run the whole pass. probably why i fell. started to get excited to early.
Saw the 5 ball monster rod?;)
Been there a couples of times myself!
With more peoples,we could have a INT division style tournament...:)
My scoring system wasn't really one...:(

pq2
07-20-2007, 01:10 PM
This morning I skied at 34 MPH (with the PP), it was great, I made my first pass at 22 off@ 32 MPH and did 6 bouys, then I went to 15off and 34 MPH and the feeling was great, I pass the course with no problems. Then I got to 22off and had some problems on bouy 3, I was getting there with time and anticipation but for some reason Im leaning forward so when I pass the bouy the ski turns and makes the fin go out and after that I fall. Tips will be apreciated. Also I feel that my ski likes the speed, felt lots of control during the pull and also during the edge change. I will try to post the video later. Im sure I will be trying 28off this weekend.

BrianM
07-20-2007, 01:47 PM
This morning I skied at 34 MPH (with the PP), it was great, I made my first pass at 22 off@ 32 MPH and did 6 bouys, then I went to 15off and 34 MPH and the feeling was great, I pass the course with no problems. Then I got to 22off and had some problems on bouy 3, I was getting there with time and anticipation but for some reason Im leaning forward so when I pass the bouy the ski turns and makes the fin go out and after that I fall. Tips will be apreciated. Also I feel that my ski likes the speed, felt lots of control during the pull and also during the edge change. I will try to post the video later. Im sure I will be trying 28off this weekend.

Sounds like you may be releasing the handle a little too soon. Also since you say you are leaning forward you may be reaching down towards the ball instead of back up towards the boat. Also remember to keep the ski out in front of you a bit (hips up shoulders back). Just taking a guess by your description. Video would help.

André
07-20-2007, 02:35 PM
Keep skiing 34,that Monza will thank you for it...
Basics will easily get you through the longer lines.
Don't look at the buoys,ski with a thight line,keep that handle close and work on your gate!
Good luck!

#47of100TeamMC
07-20-2007, 02:47 PM
Who's skiing this weekend? I'm hoping to put in the portable tomorrow morning and be able to post an embarassing result on Monday! Happy Skiing everyone!

André
07-20-2007, 02:53 PM
Who's skiing this weekend? I'm hoping to put in the portable tomorrow morning and be able to post an embarassing result on Monday! Happy Skiing everyone!
Already 2 sets in today and waiting for the legs OK for my third one.
2 at 32,34 mph is today's best and the rest of the pass seems out of reach.
I should go back and read the tips i gave to pq2...:o

Lake is glass right now...

Jesus_Freak
07-23-2007, 03:47 AM
New PB 6@15off 32mph. did not make the exit gates to advance to next pass.

Cool deal! Congrats.

pq2
07-23-2007, 10:32 AM
Thanks Brian and Andre for the tips, here you can see me. Only the last two sets were at 34MPH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AjP1bOtT2w

Upper Michigan Prostar190
07-23-2007, 11:10 AM
Well, guys no improvements here. I am still skiing 0 at 15 off, 32MPH but looking sexay as he11 while doing it. :cool: :cool:

BrianM
07-23-2007, 11:19 AM
Thanks Brian and Andre for the tips, here you can see me. Only the last two sets were at 34MPH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AjP1bOtT2w
You are looking pretty good. Just a few things.

1. Make sure you pull all the way through the wake. Your offside you have a tendancy to kind of stand up in the middle of the wake. Pull whitewater to whitewater.

2. Get your hip up a bit more and your handle down to that hip. You are pulling yourself acoss the wake. Get into a good hip up handle at the hip position and lean away.

3. When you get forward on the ski at the turns it is because you are not letting the ski finish the turn before begining your pull. This pulls you a bit over the front of the ski and causes you to lose angle. Also make sure you have a good reach up and out towards the boat and don't look at the turn balls

Relax let that ski finish the turn get into a good position and then nice solid lean/pull whitewater to whitewater

pq2
07-23-2007, 11:26 AM
Thanks Brian, I will work in that in my future sets. Its amazing how many things you learn when you see your self on video.

BrianM
07-23-2007, 11:33 AM
Thanks Brian, I will work in that in my future sets. Its amazing how many things you learn when you see your self on video.\

Yes it is. Video is really a great training tool. I am working on getting better at doing the same things you are. As the speed increases and/or the line shortens we want to do everything faster when really you have to be more patient. Hold the pull longer and letting the ski finish the turn and getting into position before pulling again.

rodltg2
07-23-2007, 11:52 AM
got thrown off this saturday morning. first pass 22@34 had really bad glare at the gates (8am) and i fell at 3. pass back going well , going for 3 and .... wait a minute where's 3???? well 3 ball somehow ended up on shore. so i have to jump in and fix it. get back at it, again 22@34 ran it , at least i think... PP didnt engage, time was way slow around 33.

second set went better , finished with 2 @28. so no improvwemts this weekend.

André
07-23-2007, 12:52 PM
2 sets so far this a.m., ran 28 both times but would need Jim Michaels set up to run 32 off.Why does 4 feet less of rope seems like 10 ?
I'm passing one ball at about Mach 2...

BrianM
07-23-2007, 01:39 PM
2 sets so far this a.m., ran 28 both times but would need Jim Michaels set up to run 32 off.Why does 4 feet less of rope seems like 10 ?
I'm passing one ball at about Mach 2...
I can relate to that. One thing that I have found is that I am really rushing things at 32. Not letting the ski finish the turn at the turn in for the gate and getting on the pull really hard really early. This leads to a flat ski headed straight for one ball at Mach 2.5. When I slow things down, thinking to my self complete the turn and SLOW gate I end up early and wide for one ball with everything feeling kind of slow. Unfortunately that is the exception for me and not the rule.

I skied like garbage this weekend. Made a couple of 36mph 28 off passes then crashed a lot. Kinda crashed out the front at 4 ball on a 28 pass and did a bit of an ankle sprain/pull so now I am limping around a bit :mad:

André
07-24-2007, 10:19 AM
I can relate to that. One thing that I have found is that I am really rushing things at 32. Not letting the ski finish the turn at the turn in for the gate and getting on the pull really hard really early. This leads to a flat ski headed straight for one ball at Mach 2.5. When I slow things down, thinking to my self complete the turn and SLOW gate I end up early and wide for one ball with everything feeling kind of slow. Unfortunately that is the exception for me and not the rule.

I skied like garbage this weekend. Made a couple of 36mph 28 off passes then crashed a lot. Kinda crashed out the front at 4 ball on a 28 pass and did a bit of an ankle sprain/pull so now I am limping around a bit :mad:
Will try that.Skied outside 3 ball at 32 off this morning only because i held on to a ton of slack at 1 .
Thinking of adding more wing...What do you think?

pq2
07-24-2007, 11:14 AM
I did 6 balls 28 off @ 34 mph. Brian Thanks for your tips, you were right, I try to hold my pull after the second wake and that made a big difference. Thanks again for you help. Also did 3 balls at 32 off. Skiing faster make something easier and Andre, you were right the ski gets better at speed.

BrianM
07-24-2007, 11:32 AM
Will try that.Skied outside 3 ball at 32 off this morning only because i held on to a ton of slack at 1 .
Thinking of adding more wing...What do you think?
I am not a ski tweaker but my thought would be to leave it alone. 99% sure that your problem is a flat ski going straight to the ball which leads to lots of speed and then slack. The cure is finishing your turns completely and getting good angle.

I did 6 balls 28 off @ 34 mph. Brian Thanks for your tips, you were right, I try to hold my pull after the second wake and that made a big difference. Thanks again for you help. Also did 3 balls at 32 off. Skiing faster make something easier and Andre, you were right the ski gets better at speed.
Glad the tips helped.

André
07-24-2007, 12:56 PM
I am not a ski tweaker but my thought would be to leave it alone. 99% sure that your problem is a flat ski going straight to the ball which leads to lots of speed and then slack. The cure is finishing your turns completely and getting good angle.
What? You,re saying i'm the problem??:D ;)

I'll leave the wing like that and work on my position...:)

BrianM
07-24-2007, 01:11 PM
What? You,re saying i'm the problem??:D ;)


YEP! I guarantee the ski is better than you are.:rolleyes:

André
07-25-2007, 11:05 AM
YEP! I guarantee the ski is better than you are.:rolleyes:
I think i might go back to a woody so i can blame the stick...;)

pq2
07-25-2007, 11:14 AM
I was thinking the same.:rolleyes:

pq2
07-26-2007, 11:06 AM
:woohoo: I made my pass 28off@34mph, and then 1 bouy at 32off. Im very happy today :woohoo:

sand2snow22
07-26-2007, 11:08 AM
pq2, you're famous. I saw you in the latest waterski mag. Can't believe you've only been skiing a year and a half......

pq2
07-26-2007, 11:25 AM
Thanks Sand2snow22, but there where guys at the camp that skied much better than I, and most af all these guys were able to ski just few months a year.

I skieed when i was a kid in the course (until 12), then I started sailing and compete sailing for 15 years and left ski for 18 years (kiteboarding the other 3). Bought a ski in February of 2006 because my brother bought the MC.

I had the basics of the course since i was a kid. The most important thing is that it is easy to learn and improve when you can ski every day year around, I can ski aerly in the morning and some times at lunch time. I also went to a slalom clinic with Arturo Nelson in summer of 06 and he was the one that gave me a big push. I told this to the WSM, but they make it look as if I had never skied before. That gives the WSM fantasy camp more points (I believe).

When I was a kid one of my dream was to be on a WSM and now that dream came true. :)

BrianM
07-26-2007, 11:29 AM
:woohoo: I made my pass 28off@34mph, and then 1 bouy at 32off. Im very happy today :woohoo:

Congrats. Nice skiing. We need more video.

pq2
07-26-2007, 11:31 AM
yes, hope we can take video tomorrow and I will post it.

André
07-26-2007, 12:01 PM
Congrats pq2!!!
2 sets this morning,same old thing.
Tried 4 times 32 off,couldn't make more then one ball.This is getting lame...
My 28s were soooo easy...:(

#47of100TeamMC
07-26-2007, 12:04 PM
Congrats pq2!!!
2 sets this morning,same old thing.
Tried 4 times 32 off,couldn't make more then one ball.This is getting lame...
My 28s were soooo easy...:(

Andre,

I'm no where near your ability, But wondering where you think the problem lies... is it a bad gate? or are you rushing the turn? Just thinking out loud.

BrianM
07-26-2007, 12:11 PM
Congrats pq2!!!
2 sets this morning,same old thing.
Tried 4 times 32 off,couldn't make more then one ball.This is getting lame...
My 28s were soooo easy...:(
I feel the pain. take some video. My money is on you making a really hard turn in for the gate and getting into the pull before the ski has completed the turn making you flat and fast at one.

For me I get mental at 32. I want to run it so bad I forget all of the good stuff I am doing at 28 and rush everything trying to make myself early. In reality rushing it makes you way too fast and way late.

A guy in our club that coaches me a lot say to think about "sneaking up on the wakes"

We need to start a new thread "Help Me Run 32"

André
07-26-2007, 12:15 PM
Don't know ,it happens so fast.One moment i'm having a nice gate and the next i'm around one with the rope in water thinking this is gonna hurt.I think i keep pulling after the second wake creating too much speed and making slack rope inevitable.
My 28 off is nice and (almost) smooth but as soon as i shorthen the rope to 32 it's like everything is going too fast and i don't know how to slow things down...
I' ve been making my 28 off for 4 YEARS...This is getting frustrating to the point of not having fun ...

André
07-26-2007, 12:21 PM
I think i'm gonna do like beginners and skip the gate for my next try at 32 so i can get deeper into the course and learn something because now falling at one,or holding a ton of slack to get back to the boat path for a score of one is not teaching me much...
Willing to practice anything...:o

H20skeefreek
07-26-2007, 12:23 PM
New PB on Monday. Full pass at 32mph. Gonna bump it up to 34 this weekend if I can do it again.

beef
07-26-2007, 12:26 PM
Andre, I can relate & have had the same (mental) problem. Try to take a nice late, easy gate shot. Check where the rope is in relation to the boat on your pullout. My bet is that at 32 you are pulling out a bit narrow and getting a narrow, fast gate. Try to make sure that the rope is well past the back corner of the boat & up into the gunnel on your pull out. Wait a split second longer before comitting to the gate and take it eeeasy. Don't burn the gate! It's all about the angle, not speed.

André
07-26-2007, 12:34 PM
Andre, I can relate & have had the same (mental) problem. Try to take a nice late, easy gate shot. Check where the rope is in relation to the boat on your pullout. My bet is that at 32 you are pulling out a bit narrow and getting a narrow, fast gate. Try to make sure that the rope is well past the back corner of the boat & up into the gunnel on your pull out. Wait a split second longer before comitting to the gate and take it eeeasy. Don't burn the gate! It's all about the angle, not speed.
Up into the gunnel? That high? Really?
Wow i'm about 10 feet behind boat when i go for the gates...
Will try it later this pm,back is a bit stiff now...
Looks like 32 off is causing problems to a lot of peoples.
Are you running it now beef?

BrianM
07-26-2007, 12:46 PM
Up into the gunnel? That high? Really?
Wow i'm about 10 feet behind boat when i go for the gates...
Will try it later this pm,back is a bit stiff now...
Looks like 32 off is causing problems to a lot of peoples.
Are you running it now beef?

If you are that far back that is definitely one of your issues. I get way up on the boat especially at 28 and 32. The rope crosses the gunnel about 1ft behind the pylon. If you are behind the boat you are VERY narrow for the gate.

Jesus_Freak
07-26-2007, 01:03 PM
New PB on Monday. Full pass at 32mph. Gonna bump it up to 34 this weekend if I can do it again.

You da freek! Excellent!

Now was this a real pass, or did you skip the exit gates again?:D

pq2
07-26-2007, 01:08 PM
André, when I went with Arturo (slalom clinic) I was skiing at 30mph and he sent me back to 28mph 22off and I spend the whole week skiing at that speed and leght, we only work on my position, my pull out and in keeping the same speed during the course. At the endo of the clinic I was very frustrated that I dindt made more bouys than when I started, but for sure that helped me a lot for the future months. When I cant pass at some lenght I go back in speed and leght and work to take care of the problems that Im having with the shorter lenght and I dont go up again until i feel good again. Terry winter said that on the west coast sllom video, that when he gets stocked he goes back to fix the problem. my 2c

beef
07-26-2007, 01:08 PM
Up into the gunnel? That high? Really?
Wow i'm about 10 feet behind boat when i go for the gates...
Will try it later this pm,back is a bit stiff now...
Looks like 32 off is causing problems to a lot of peoples.
Are you running it now beef?

Yeah, 32 off is definitely where it starts getting interesting for me! On a good day, I'll run deep into it. I've cleared it a few times, pb is 3 @ 35 off (chick speed, since I'm old).

If you get up higher on the boat, you'll be able to generate your speed before and through the wakes. You'll need that energy to cast out past the ball at 1 with out continuing to pull. If you start narrow, you're having to pull well past the wakes in order to get wide, resulting in a lot of speed - probably aimed directly at 1 ball instead of out.

Again, though - don't burn 'em. I have a very bad habit of getting real excited at these passes, and go screaming through the gates at the speed of light. This rarely ends well. I've been told "take them late and easy". This will set the tone for the whole pass.

rodltg2
08-23-2007, 05:05 PM
well i finally made some progess. ran 6@28 34mph. (missed the exit gate though :( ...). hopefull get a couple more under my belt before the seasons over..

H20skeefreek
08-23-2007, 05:18 PM
As I was corrected before, that's only 5-1/2 @28.

rodltg2
08-23-2007, 05:43 PM
from the diagram on USA waterski., it seems that if you make pass the line of the gate bouys you get a full point. so what is it when you make it past the line but miss the exit gate? i've heard the term but dont know for sure. 6@28 , no completion. ?